[Taxacom] Question regarding nomenclature citation of the plant

Fri Sep 24 05:06:36 CDT 2021

I think there is no issue there, this is just how the code works.
So in the days that Sesleria coerulans susbp. bielzii was used in Ukraine, it was correct to say that Sesleria coerulans susbp. bielzii occurs in UKR or Sesleria coerulans occurs in UKR or both.
Only Sesleria coerulans susbp. coerulans does not occur in UKR.

If then this subspecies is raised to species rank then only S. bielzii is in UKR with synonym Sesleria coerulans susbp. bielzii.

I assume there is no way to express that Sesleria coerulans s.l. (excluding susbp. coerulans) is also a synonym, but the logic is that if only S. coerulans susbp. bielzii ever occurred in UKR then Sesleria coerulans can no longer occur there if that subspecies is excluded (i.e. listed as a synonym of S. bielzii).

This is the age old contradiction that principle IV says "only one correct name" but when there are infraspecific taxa then there are always two correct names for a taxon.
Rafael

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Dear Paul,
I know that "auct. Author2 non Author1" is applying for misidentification and this is really not a case in my situation, therefore I do not use this phrase. Instead of this, I consider the possible application of the phrase "Author1, auct. Author2". Such a phrase is not regulated by Code and actually, I am not sure whether it is correct to use it or at least is it unambiguously understandable for readers.

Dear Stephen,
Your proposal of a short verbal explanation is excellent. However, it is unapplicable for databases (e.g., POWO or IPNI), and, taking into consideration that I am working with about 1K taxonomic names, it will be also problematic to arrange in the table format. Of course, I can and will explain this aspect in the footnotes, but I want to make a maximally clear dataset of the accepted names and their synonyms that can be easily readable and convertible in the future.

Best regards, Andriy.

пт, 24 вер. 2021 о 10:08 dipteryx--- via Taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
пише:

> This seems mostly a matter of style, but some points:
>
> * "auct." is used for misidentifications, Rec. 50D recommends
>   the format "*Sesleria bielzii* Schur (syn. *Sesleria coerulans"
>   auct. non Friv., Hjkl et al., Flora Ucrain. Carpat.)" with
>   "Hjkl et al." the authors of the Flora Ucrain. Carpat.
>   However, this is not a case of misidentification, but rather of
>   taxonomic shorthand, so this is not advisable.
> * the format "*Sesleria bielzii Schur *(syn. *Sesleria coerulans*
>   Friv. sensu flora Ucrain. Carpat.)" seems like an option, just as
>   "*Sesleria bielzii* Schur (as *Sesleria coerulans* Friv.
>   [subsp. *bielzii* (Schur) Gergely & Beldie] in Flora Ucrain. Carpat.)"
>   or a variation of that.
> * And indeed it is possible (and safer) to just describe the situation
>   in words.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Paul
>
>
> > Op 23-09-2021 12:14 schreef Andriy Novikov via Taxacom <
> taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>:
> >
> >
> > Dear colleagues,
> > I am trying to compile a checklist for endemic plants distributed in 
> > the Ukrainian Carpathians (UC) . And I faced with an issue - I am 
> > not sure
> how
> > to correctly cite synonym in the next situation:
> >
> > There is *Sesleria coerulans* Friv. with few infrataxa. However, in 
> > the
> UC
> > only one, subsp. *bielzii *(Schur) Gergely & Beldie, occurs. Taking 
> > into considerations that only one taxon is represented in the UC, 
> > Ukrainian botanists always identified all vouchers simply as 
> > belonging to *Sesleria
> > coerulans,* without specification of subspecies. For today, the 
> > accepted name of this taxon is *Sesleria bielzii* Schur. So, all 
> > vouchers of the *Sesleria coerulans *from the UC correspond to 
> > *Sesleria bielzii, *and it appears that  *Sesleria coerulans* in 
> > sens of Ukrainian botanists is, in fact, a synonym of the *Sesleria 
> > bielzii.*
> >
> > Hence the question - is it correct to cite it as *Sesleria bielzii 
> > Schur *(syn. *Sesleria coerulans  *Friv., auct. flora Ucrain. 
> > Carpat.) OR *Sesleria bielzii Schur *(syn. *Sesleria coerulans  
> > *Friv. sensu flora Ucrain. Carpat.) ?
> >
> > Thank you in advance for your advice!
> > Best regards, Andriy.
> >
> >
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