[Taxacom] Just checking - effective publication in botany - "early view" example...

Thu May 13 03:41:00 CDT 2021

That seems like a lot of questions. As a general
principle, if it has a different position, rank, type,
or (really different) spelling it will be a different
name. If it has the same position, rank, type and
(just about the same) spelling it will be just the
one name; spelling variations will not come into
it.

As to when a name at a different rank has a different
epithet than a name for the same taxon at another
rank (with the same type), there are several examples
in the /ICNafp/ following Art. 11.2 (at
https://www.iapt-taxon.org/nomen/pages/main/art_11.html)

This may be for several reasons. Thamas Lammers once
commented on this list:
    "The one time I excercised this option myself, I did
      so to prevent the existence in a small endemic
      Hawaiian genus of both a "/parvifolia/" and a
      "/parviflora/."  I thought the confusion avoided was
      worth violating a recommendation."

And to confirm, yes, /Caryophyllaceae/  Juss. (1789) and
/Caryophylloideae/ Arn. (1832) (at different ranks) are
different names, with different authors, and different dates
(but with the same type). But /Xylomataceae/ and
'/Xylomaceae/' (at the same rank) is just the one name, as
is /Cyperaceae/ and 'ordo /Cyperoideae/' (equally at the same
rank); Art. 18 Ex. 4 (at
https://www.iapt-taxon.org/nomen/pages/main/art_18.html).

Paul

Op 12/05/2021 om 19:01 schreef Richard Pyle via Taxacom:
> OK, thanks!  Yeah, I had assumed that replacement names were of course among them (same in zoology).  But I wasn't sure if your fourth type was a "thing" in the non-zoological context.
>
> But I'm curious about the third option; when a name is moved to a different rank its epithet may change but its type does not.  Can you provide an example? And does this include any rank change (e.g., variety to subspecies, or subspecies to species)?  Or only for uninominals (like subfamily to family)?
>
> Again this may be semantics, and it may be a(nother) difference beteen ICZN-land and ICNafp-space, but it's not clear whether a change in orthography necessarily represents a "different" name, or the "same" name with different spelling.  In my way of thinking (perhaps not shared by many/most zoologists?), the family name "Labridae" is the "same" name as its subfamily counterpart ("Labrinae") -- so I wouldn't count this in the same category as replacement names or other cases where two different epithets (with different protologues and authors) share the same name-bearing type.
>
> I guess my (informal) thinking is that when two text-strings share the same type, authorship and protologue, they are the "same" name even if they differ in exact orthography.  Of course, in my zoological perspective this also includes alternate combinations (with the "name" being the epithet), but I'm also thinking of uninominals like the family/subfamily example.
>
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>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> On Behalf Of
>> Paul van Rijckevorsel via Taxacom
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>> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Just checking - effective publication in botany - "early
>> view" example...
>>
>> Op 12/05/2021 om 12:59 schreef Richard Pyle via Taxacom:
>>> RE: homotypic synonyms -- in zoology we don't generally use that term
>> (though I think we should), which I gather in non-zoological contexts usually
>> refers to the "same" epithet combined with different genera (e.g., a
>> basionym is a homotypic synonym of a subsequent combination).  However,
>> we do have the notion of "objective synonyms", such as when the same
>> specimen has been designated as the name-bearing type for two different
>> species-group epithets (with different spellings, authorships, protologues*,
>> etc.)  This is not common, but sometimes happens by accident, and
>> sometimes is done on purpose.  But I wonder:  do you have situations in
>> Botany where synonyms are "homotypic", even if they are not the "same"
>> epithet combined with different genera (i.e., in cases where they are truly
>> different epithets)?
>>
>> * * *
>>
>> Sure, firstly, whenever a name is preoccupied, and a different epithet needs
>> to be adopted (a replacement name).
>>
>> Secondly, in cases where a move to a different genus would result in a
>> tautonym (when /Leontodon taraxacum/ is moved to /Taraxacum/, the
>> tautonym cannot be published; the species is named /T. officinale/).
>>
>> Thirdly, when a move to a different rank is made for the first time, a
>> different epithet may be chosen ("A name has no priority outside the rank at
>> which it is published").
>>
>> And fourthly, as you say, when authors assign the same type, for different
>> names.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> ***
>>
>>> Aloha,
>>> Rich
>>>
>>> *We don't use the term "protologue" much in zoology either, but again we
>> probably should.
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