[Taxacom] Just checking - effective publication in botany - "early view" example...

Wed May 12 06:17:46 CDT 2021

 Actually, Francisco, there are many other available zoological names which have no types, i.e. everything above the family-group!
Cheers, Stephen
    On Wednesday, 12 May 2021, 11:12:10 pm NZST, Francisco Welter-Schultes via Taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:  

 There are available zoological names which have no types. Just for the 
completeness, because occasionally this seems to be overlooked.

Before 1931 it was "allowed" to establish a genus-group name with a 
description (or figure), without nominal species included. The type 
series for such a name consists of the first nominal species 
subsequently and expressly included in that nominal genus-group name 
(Art. 67.2.2). In the meantime that genus-group name is waiting for 
nominal species to be subsequently included and is not equipped with a 
name-bearing type.

It is the only situation I am aware of, that an available animal name 
can exist without a name-bearing type.

Cheers
Francisco

Am 12.05.2021 um 12:59 schrieb Richard Pyle via Taxacom:
> Thanks, Paul!
> 
> RE: the type of an isonym:  I suppose that no subsequent usage of any name (isonym or not) has a "type", strictly speaking.  But if I refer to the type species of a genus, it remains as the type of any usage of that "same" name.  This sounds like a semantics issue, but while type designations are strictly applied to the "name", as it is established in the protologue, I think it's fair to say that the "type" is at least conceptually represented for any subsequent usage of a name.  This is what I meant by "names with the same type" -- I probably should have phrased that as something like "two names are not considered homonyms if they are referrable to the same type"; as opposed to two names that are homonyms, which each have different types.
> 
> RE: homotypic synonyms -- in zoology we don't generally use that term (though I think we should), which I gather in non-zoological contexts usually refers to the "same" epithet combined with different genera (e.g., a basionym is a homotypic synonym of a subsequent combination).  However, we do have the notion of "objective synonyms", such as when the same specimen has been designated as the name-bearing type for two different species-group epithets (with different spellings, authorships, protologues*, etc.)  This is not common, but sometimes happens by accident, and sometimes is done on purpose.  But I wonder:  do you have situations in Botany where synonyms are "homotypic", even if they are not the "same" epithet combined with different genera (i.e., in cases where they are truly different epithets)?
> 
> Aloha,
> Rich
> 
> *We don't use the term "protologue" much in zoology either, but again we probably should.
> 
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> On Behalf Of
>> Paul van Rijckevorsel via Taxacom
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2021 9:03 PM
>> To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Just checking - effective publication in botany - "early
>> view" example...
>>
>> Op 11/05/2021 om 18:50 schreef Richard Pyle via Taxacom:
>>> OK, so in ICNafp, the same type means the same name.  What about older
>> names?  Does the requirement for an explicitly fixed type go all the way back
>> to 1753 (e.g., to all Linnaeus plant names have explicitly fixed types?)  Or,
>> can older names still be validly published even without explicit type fixation
>> (as is the case in Zoology)?
>>
>> * * *
>>
>> In the ICFafp, the requirement (as it exists at present) that the name of a
>> new taxon must have a type starts at "on or after 1 January 1958". And,
>> obviously, older names don't necessarily have been assigned types (Linnaean
>> names are not a good example, since these have been closely scrutinized).
>> But, older names can be assigned types, and then it does work.
>>
>> I guess I should point to two conceptual wrinkles:
>>
>> * only a name (scientific name) can have a type, and a later isonym (later
>> usage) is not a name: therefore a later isonym cannot actually have a type.
>> So definition-wise there is a substantial conceptual hole in "names with the
>> same type". To be more accurate an exercise in conditional logic seems
>> called for (something like "that would have the same type if both were to be
>> names ...").
>>
>> * there are situations (that don't appear involved here) where names have
>> the same type by definition (that is, they are homotypic names), regardless
>> of the fact whether either name actually has a type or not. So it is quite
>> possible to have untypified homotypic names.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
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