[Taxacom] Taxacom Digest, Vol 179, Issue 15
Les Watling
watling at hawaii.edu
Tue Mar 30 12:12:39 CDT 2021
Thanks Ken, for the list again. All detail "nit-picking aside," I think we
all got rather shocked at the level of this pandemic.
But then, maybe 2 million is not all that much when considered against the
whole human population. I saw an estimate somewhere about the black plague
killing one quarter to one half of all Europeans. So, the total number is
interesting but it would need to be much worse in order to make a
difference to the overall human population.
And yeah, I suspect we will never really know the toll from inside China.
Best,
Les
Les Watling
Professor, School of Life Sciences
216 Edmondson Hall
University of Hawaii at Manoa
Honolulu, HI 96822
Ph. 808-956-8621
Cell: 808-772-9563
e-mail: watling at hawaii.edu
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> 1. human death list (Les Watling)
> 2. Re: human death list (Kenneth Kinman)
> 3. Re: human death list (Stephen Thorpe)
> 4. Re: human death list (John Grehan)
> 5. Re: human death list (Stephen Thorpe)
> 6. Re: human death list (John Grehan)
> 7. Re: human death list (Stephen Thorpe)
> 8. Re: human death list (John Grehan)
> 9. Re: human death list (Kenneth Kinman)
> 10. Re: human death list (Stephen Thorpe)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 13:49:43 -0400
> From: Les Watling <watling at hawaii.edu>
> To: "Cc: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> Subject: [Taxacom] human death list
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> As the covid-19 pandemic was beginning to unfold a few persons on this list
> put out ranked lists of deaths of humans from various things like the early
> 20th century flu pandemic, wars, and the like.
>
> I am wondering if those who posted during the early days of the covid
> pandemic a year ago have thought of updating their lists of major causes of
> human deaths. I seem to remember there was some thought that this wasn't
> going to be a very serious pandemic, but I could be wrong about that.
>
> In any case, I am curious about where the covid-19 total death numbers rank
> with other pandemics, wars, etc.
>
> Best,
> Les Watling
> Professor, School of Life Sciences
> 216 Edmondson Hall
> University of Hawaii at Manoa
> Honolulu, HI 96822
> Ph. 808-956-8621
> Cell: 808-772-9563
> e-mail: watling at hawaii.edu
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 18:18:26 +0000
> From: Kenneth Kinman <kinman at hotmail.com>
> To: "Cc: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] human death list
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> Hi Les,
> Yes, I seriously underestimated what the death toll would be from
> this pandemic. My list was for deaths per calendar year, and the death
> toll for 2020 was about 2,000,000 worldwide. So genus Betacoronavirus is
> now second behind genus Homo as the deadliest. See updated listing below.
> -----------------Ken Kinman
>
> Deadliest genera to humans in
> the 21st Century
>
> Homo via bad dietary choices (especially those derived from Saccharomyces,
> Bos, Zea, Saccharum, and/or Beta, i.e. excess consumption of sugars,
> alcohol, and/or red meat) (resulting in over 13,000,000 human deaths per
> year).
> Homo via Nicotiana, causing cancers from tobacco smoking and chewing (over
> 5,000,000 human deaths per year).
> Homo (humans killing over 400,000 humans per year, plus about 800,000
> suicides, totaling over 1,200,000 deaths per year).
> Betacoronavirus (killed about 2,000,000 humans in the year 2020).
> Mycobacterium, especially M. tuberculosis (over 1,200,000 human deaths per
> year).
> Lentavirus, causing HIV infections (over 900,000 deaths per year).
> Streptococcus, causing pneumonia and streptococcal meningitis (over
> 500,000 deaths per year).
> Plasmodium (Anopheles the vector) causing malaria (about 400,000 deaths
> per year).
> Alphainfluenzavirus, causing flu (290,000-645,000 human deaths per year).
> Treponema, causing syphilis (about 100,000 deaths per year, plus over
> 200,000 stillbirths and neonatal deaths; total over 300,000 deaths).
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Rotavirus, causing enteritis (over 150,000 human deaths per year).
> Salmonella, causing typhoid fever (over 100,000 human deaths per year).
> Neisseria, causing meningococcal meningitis (about 75,000 human deaths per
> year).
> Haemophilus, causing type b meningitis (about 70,000 human deaths per
> year).
> Entamoeba, causing amoebic dysentery (50,000-100,000 humans per year).
> Clostridium, causing tetanus (about 60,000 human deaths per year).
> Norovirus (over 50,000 human deaths per year; with some estimates as high
> as 200,000).
> Cryptosporidium, causing cryptosporidiosis (over 50,000 human deaths per
> year).
> Aedes (carrying several viral diseases) (over 50,000 human death per year).
> Schistosoma, causing schistosomiasis (about 50,000 deaths; about 200,000
> humans in the year 2000; but treatment programs have reduced the number).
> Bordetella, causing whooping cough (about 50,000 human deaths per year).
> Shigella, causing shigellosis (about 50,000 human deaths per year).
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ________________________________
> From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> on behalf of Les
> Watling via Taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 12:49 PM
> To: Cc: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> Subject: [Taxacom] human death list
>
> As the covid-19 pandemic was beginning to unfold a few persons on this list
> put out ranked lists of deaths of humans from various things like the early
> 20th century flu pandemic, wars, and the like.
>
> I am wondering if those who posted during the early days of the covid
> pandemic a year ago have thought of updating their lists of major causes of
> human deaths. I seem to remember there was some thought that this wasn't
> going to be a very serious pandemic, but I could be wrong about that.
>
> In any case, I am curious about where the covid-19 total death numbers rank
> with other pandemics, wars, etc.
>
> Best,
> Les Watling
> Professor, School of Life Sciences
> 216 Edmondson Hall
> University of Hawaii at Manoa
> Honolulu, HI 96822
> Ph. 808-956-8621
> Cell: 808-772-9563
> e-mail: watling at hawaii.edu
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 19:28:40 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
> To: "Cc: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>,
> Kenneth Kinman <kinman at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] human death list
> Message-ID: <2039414051.1729601.1617046120384 at mail.yahoo.com>
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>
> It may not be as simple as saying that Betacoronavirus "killed 2m", but
> rather "contributed to the death of 2m", or even just "2m people died
> within 28 days of a positive covid test". There seems to be a lot of wiggle
> room for "creative accounting" of covid deaths, more so than other
> c.o.d.'s. At least some of the 2m for Betacoronavirus need to be
> substracted from the totals from other c.o.d.'s (crucially including other
> things not in the list like "old age"), but, of course, we can't know the
> details there. I also note that, unlike the other causes on your list, the
> 2m figure for Betacoronovirus is based on a sample size of n=1 (year), so
> even a five year average is as yet unknown. It seems plausible that the
> first year could be by far the most deadly. This invalidates comparisons
> somewhat.
> Stephen
>
> On Tuesday, 30 March 2021, 07:38:14 am NZDT, Kenneth Kinman via
> Taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:
>
> Hi Les,
> Yes, I seriously underestimated what the death toll would be from
> this pandemic. My list was for deaths per calendar year, and the death
> toll for 2020 was about 2,000,000 worldwide. So genus Betacoronavirus is
> now second behind genus Homo as the deadliest. See updated listing below.
> -----------------Ken Kinman
>
> Deadliest genera to humans in
> the 21st Century
>
> Homo via bad dietary choices (especially those derived from Saccharomyces,
> Bos, Zea, Saccharum, and/or Beta, i.e. excess consumption of sugars,
> alcohol, and/or red meat) (resulting in over 13,000,000 human deaths per
> year).
> Homo via Nicotiana, causing cancers from tobacco smoking and chewing (over
> 5,000,000 human deaths per year).
> Homo (humans killing over 400,000 humans per year, plus about 800,000
> suicides, totaling over 1,200,000 deaths per year).
> Betacoronavirus (killed about 2,000,000 humans in the year 2020).
> Mycobacterium, especially M. tuberculosis (over 1,200,000 human deaths per
> year).
> Lentavirus, causing HIV infections (over 900,000 deaths per year).
> Streptococcus, causing pneumonia and streptococcal meningitis (over
> 500,000 deaths per year).
> Plasmodium (Anopheles the vector) causing malaria (about 400,000 deaths
> per year).
> Alphainfluenzavirus, causing flu (290,000-645,000 human deaths per year).
> Treponema, causing syphilis (about 100,000 deaths per year, plus over
> 200,000 stillbirths and neonatal deaths; total over 300,000 deaths).
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Rotavirus, causing enteritis (over 150,000 human deaths per year).
> Salmonella, causing typhoid fever (over 100,000 human deaths per year).
> Neisseria, causing meningococcal meningitis (about 75,000 human deaths per
> year).
> Haemophilus, causing type b meningitis (about 70,000 human deaths per
> year).
> Entamoeba, causing amoebic dysentery (50,000-100,000 humans per year).
> Clostridium, causing tetanus (about 60,000 human deaths per year).
> Norovirus (over 50,000 human deaths per year; with some estimates as high
> as 200,000).
> Cryptosporidium, causing cryptosporidiosis (over 50,000 human deaths per
> year).
> Aedes (carrying several viral diseases) (over 50,000 human death per year).
> Schistosoma, causing schistosomiasis (about 50,000 deaths; about 200,000
> humans in the year 2000; but treatment programs have reduced the number).
> Bordetella, causing whooping cough (about 50,000 human deaths per year).
> Shigella, causing shigellosis (about 50,000 human deaths per year).
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ________________________________
> From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> on behalf of Les
> Watling via Taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 12:49 PM
> To: Cc: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> Subject: [Taxacom] human death list
>
> As the covid-19 pandemic was beginning to unfold a few persons on this list
> put out ranked lists of deaths of humans from various things like the early
> 20th century flu pandemic, wars, and the like.
>
> I am wondering if those who posted during the early days of the covid
> pandemic a year ago have thought of updating their lists of major causes of
> human deaths. I seem to remember there was some thought that this wasn't
> going to be a very serious pandemic, but I could be wrong about that.
>
> In any case, I am curious about where the covid-19 total death numbers rank
> with other pandemics, wars, etc.
>
> Best,
> Les Watling
> Professor, School of Life Sciences
> 216 Edmondson Hall
> University of Hawaii at Manoa
> Honolulu, HI 96822
> Ph. 808-956-8621
> Cell: 808-772-9563
> e-mail: watling at hawaii.edu
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 16:18:42 -0400
> From: John Grehan <calabar.john at gmail.com>
> To: Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
> Cc: "Cc: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>,
> Kenneth Kinman <kinman at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] human death list
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> The caveat "contributed to the death of " might well apply to all the other
> diseases as well. And perhaps even killing of humans since a number of
> other factors are also involved (such as being present at the time of
> death, or then dying because of the lack of medical resources immediately
> to hand etc.).
>
> On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 3:28 PM Stephen Thorpe via Taxacom <
> taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:
>
> > It may not be as simple as saying that Betacoronavirus "killed 2m", but
> > rather "contributed to the death of 2m", or even just "2m people died
> > within 28 days of a positive covid test". There seems to be a lot of
> wiggle
> > room for "creative accounting" of covid deaths, more so than other
> > c.o.d.'s. At least some of the 2m for Betacoronavirus need to be
> > substracted from the totals from other c.o.d.'s (crucially including
> other
> > things not in the list like "old age"), but, of course, we can't know the
> > details there. I also note that, unlike the other causes on your list,
> the
> > 2m figure for Betacoronovirus is based on a sample size of n=1 (year), so
> > even a five year average is as yet unknown. It seems plausible that the
> > first year could be by far the most deadly. This invalidates comparisons
> > somewhat.
> > Stephen
> >
> > On Tuesday, 30 March 2021, 07:38:14 am NZDT, Kenneth Kinman via
> > Taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Les,
> > Yes, I seriously underestimated what the death toll would be from
> > this pandemic. My list was for deaths per calendar year, and the death
> > toll for 2020 was about 2,000,000 worldwide. So genus Betacoronavirus is
> > now second behind genus Homo as the deadliest. See updated listing
> below.
> > -----------------Ken Kinman
> >
> > Deadliest genera to humans in
> > the 21st Century
> >
> > Homo via bad dietary choices (especially those derived from
> Saccharomyces,
> > Bos, Zea, Saccharum, and/or Beta, i.e. excess consumption of sugars,
> > alcohol, and/or red meat) (resulting in over 13,000,000 human deaths per
> > year).
> > Homo via Nicotiana, causing cancers from tobacco smoking and chewing
> (over
> > 5,000,000 human deaths per year).
> > Homo (humans killing over 400,000 humans per year, plus about 800,000
> > suicides, totaling over 1,200,000 deaths per year).
> > Betacoronavirus (killed about 2,000,000 humans in the year 2020).
> > Mycobacterium, especially M. tuberculosis (over 1,200,000 human deaths
> per
> > year).
> > Lentavirus, causing HIV infections (over 900,000 deaths per year).
> > Streptococcus, causing pneumonia and streptococcal meningitis (over
> > 500,000 deaths per year).
> > Plasmodium (Anopheles the vector) causing malaria (about 400,000 deaths
> > per year).
> > Alphainfluenzavirus, causing flu (290,000-645,000 human deaths per year).
> > Treponema, causing syphilis (about 100,000 deaths per year, plus over
> > 200,000 stillbirths and neonatal deaths; total over 300,000 deaths).
> >
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Rotavirus, causing enteritis (over 150,000 human deaths per year).
> > Salmonella, causing typhoid fever (over 100,000 human deaths per year).
> > Neisseria, causing meningococcal meningitis (about 75,000 human deaths
> per
> > year).
> > Haemophilus, causing type b meningitis (about 70,000 human deaths per
> > year).
> > Entamoeba, causing amoebic dysentery (50,000-100,000 humans per year).
> > Clostridium, causing tetanus (about 60,000 human deaths per year).
> > Norovirus (over 50,000 human deaths per year; with some estimates as high
> > as 200,000).
> > Cryptosporidium, causing cryptosporidiosis (over 50,000 human deaths per
> > year).
> > Aedes (carrying several viral diseases) (over 50,000 human death per
> year).
> > Schistosoma, causing schistosomiasis (about 50,000 deaths; about 200,000
> > humans in the year 2000; but treatment programs have reduced the number).
> > Bordetella, causing whooping cough (about 50,000 human deaths per year).
> > Shigella, causing shigellosis (about 50,000 human deaths per year).
> >
> >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> on behalf of Les
> > Watling via Taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 12:49 PM
> > To: Cc: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> > Subject: [Taxacom] human death list
> >
> > As the covid-19 pandemic was beginning to unfold a few persons on this
> list
> > put out ranked lists of deaths of humans from various things like the
> early
> > 20th century flu pandemic, wars, and the like.
> >
> > I am wondering if those who posted during the early days of the covid
> > pandemic a year ago have thought of updating their lists of major causes
> of
> > human deaths. I seem to remember there was some thought that this wasn't
> > going to be a very serious pandemic, but I could be wrong about that.
> >
> > In any case, I am curious about where the covid-19 total death numbers
> rank
> > with other pandemics, wars, etc.
> >
> > Best,
> > Les Watling
> > Professor, School of Life Sciences
> > 216 Edmondson Hall
> > University of Hawaii at Manoa
> > Honolulu, HI 96822
> > Ph. 808-956-8621
> > Cell: 808-772-9563
> > e-mail: watling at hawaii.edu
> > _______________________________________________
> > Taxacom Mailing List
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> 1987-2021.
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 20:33:47 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
> To: John Grehan <calabar.john at gmail.com>
> Cc: "Cc: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>,
> Kenneth Kinman <kinman at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] human death list
> Message-ID: <1211180838.1777420.1617050027113 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> No, I'm suggesting that it applies more, not equally, to covid. Of course
> it applies to some extent to everything else.Stephen
> On Tuesday, 30 March 2021, 09:19:22 am NZDT, John Grehan <
> calabar.john at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The caveat "contributed to the death of " might well apply to all the
> other diseases as well. And perhaps even killing of humans since a number
> of other factors are also involved (such as being present at the time of
> death, or then dying because of the lack of medical resources immediately
> to hand etc.).
> On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 3:28 PM Stephen Thorpe via Taxacom <
> taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:
>
> It may not be as simple as saying that Betacoronavirus "killed 2m", but
> rather "contributed to the death of 2m", or even just "2m people died
> within 28 days of a positive covid test". There seems to be a lot of wiggle
> room for "creative accounting" of covid deaths, more so than other
> c.o.d.'s. At least some of the 2m for Betacoronavirus need to be
> substracted from the totals from other c.o.d.'s (crucially including other
> things not in the list like "old age"), but, of course, we can't know the
> details there. I also note that, unlike the other causes on your list, the
> 2m figure for Betacoronovirus is based on a sample size of n=1 (year), so
> even a five year average is as yet unknown. It seems plausible that the
> first year could be by far the most deadly. This invalidates comparisons
> somewhat.
> Stephen
>
> On Tuesday, 30 March 2021, 07:38:14 am NZDT, Kenneth Kinman via
> Taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:
>
> Hi Les,
> Yes, I seriously underestimated what the death toll would be from
> this pandemic. My list was for deaths per calendar year, and the death
> toll for 2020 was about 2,000,000 worldwide. So genus Betacoronavirus is
> now second behind genus Homo as the deadliest. See updated listing below.
> -----------------Ken Kinman
>
> Deadliest genera to humans in
> the 21st Century
>
> Homo via bad dietary choices (especially those derived from Saccharomyces,
> Bos, Zea, Saccharum, and/or Beta, i.e. excess consumption of sugars,
> alcohol, and/or red meat) (resulting in over 13,000,000 human deaths per
> year).
> Homo via Nicotiana, causing cancers from tobacco smoking and chewing (over
> 5,000,000 human deaths per year).
> Homo (humans killing over 400,000 humans per year, plus about 800,000
> suicides, totaling over 1,200,000 deaths per year).
> Betacoronavirus (killed about 2,000,000 humans in the year 2020).
> Mycobacterium, especially M. tuberculosis (over 1,200,000 human deaths per
> year).
> Lentavirus, causing HIV infections (over 900,000 deaths per year).
> Streptococcus, causing pneumonia and streptococcal meningitis (over
> 500,000 deaths per year).
> Plasmodium (Anopheles the vector) causing malaria (about 400,000 deaths
> per year).
> Alphainfluenzavirus, causing flu (290,000-645,000 human deaths per year).
> Treponema, causing syphilis (about 100,000 deaths per year, plus over
> 200,000 stillbirths and neonatal deaths; total over 300,000 deaths).
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Rotavirus, causing enteritis (over 150,000 human deaths per year).
> Salmonella, causing typhoid fever (over 100,000 human deaths per year).
> Neisseria, causing meningococcal meningitis (about 75,000 human deaths per
> year).
> Haemophilus, causing type b meningitis (about 70,000 human deaths per
> year).
> Entamoeba, causing amoebic dysentery (50,000-100,000 humans per year).
> Clostridium, causing tetanus (about 60,000 human deaths per year).
> Norovirus (over 50,000 human deaths per year; with some estimates as high
> as 200,000).
> Cryptosporidium, causing cryptosporidiosis (over 50,000 human deaths per
> year).
> Aedes (carrying several viral diseases) (over 50,000 human death per year).
> Schistosoma, causing schistosomiasis (about 50,000 deaths; about 200,000
> humans in the year 2000; but treatment programs have reduced the number).
> Bordetella, causing whooping cough (about 50,000 human deaths per year).
> Shigella, causing shigellosis (about 50,000 human deaths per year).
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ________________________________
> From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> on behalf of Les
> Watling via Taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 12:49 PM
> To: Cc: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> Subject: [Taxacom] human death list
>
> As the covid-19 pandemic was beginning to unfold a few persons on this list
> put out ranked lists of deaths of humans from various things like the early
> 20th century flu pandemic, wars, and the like.
>
> I am wondering if those who posted during the early days of the covid
> pandemic a year ago have thought of updating their lists of major causes of
> human deaths. I seem to remember there was some thought that this wasn't
> going to be a very serious pandemic, but I could be wrong about that.
>
> In any case, I am curious about where the covid-19 total death numbers rank
> with other pandemics, wars, etc.
>
> Best,
> Les Watling
> Professor, School of Life Sciences
> 216 Edmondson Hall
> University of Hawaii at Manoa
> Honolulu, HI 96822
> Ph. 808-956-8621
> Cell: 808-772-9563
> e-mail: watling at hawaii.edu
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 16:49:50 -0400
> From: John Grehan <calabar.john at gmail.com>
> To: Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
> Cc: "Cc: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>,
> Kenneth Kinman <kinman at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] human death list
> Message-ID:
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> CADN0ud0CxQ5Ka4NHc2D0Y--EV1PCAQ1jnisMYqxFjsP0t0DMbQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> OK - perhaps so, although how one would dissect this out in relation to
> historical records might be tricky.
>
> On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 4:33 PM Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
> >
> wrote:
>
> > No, I'm suggesting that it applies more, not equally, to covid. Of course
> > it applies to some extent to everything else.
> > Stephen
> >
> > On Tuesday, 30 March 2021, 09:19:22 am NZDT, John Grehan <
> > calabar.john at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > The caveat "contributed to the death of " might well apply to all the
> > other diseases as well. And perhaps even killing of humans since a number
> > of other factors are also involved (such as being present at the time of
> > death, or then dying because of the lack of medical resources immediately
> > to hand etc.).
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 3:28 PM Stephen Thorpe via Taxacom <
> > taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:
> >
> > It may not be as simple as saying that Betacoronavirus "killed 2m", but
> > rather "contributed to the death of 2m", or even just "2m people died
> > within 28 days of a positive covid test". There seems to be a lot of
> wiggle
> > room for "creative accounting" of covid deaths, more so than other
> > c.o.d.'s. At least some of the 2m for Betacoronavirus need to be
> > substracted from the totals from other c.o.d.'s (crucially including
> other
> > things not in the list like "old age"), but, of course, we can't know the
> > details there. I also note that, unlike the other causes on your list,
> the
> > 2m figure for Betacoronovirus is based on a sample size of n=1 (year), so
> > even a five year average is as yet unknown. It seems plausible that the
> > first year could be by far the most deadly. This invalidates comparisons
> > somewhat.
> > Stephen
> >
> > On Tuesday, 30 March 2021, 07:38:14 am NZDT, Kenneth Kinman via
> > Taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Les,
> > Yes, I seriously underestimated what the death toll would be from
> > this pandemic. My list was for deaths per calendar year, and the death
> > toll for 2020 was about 2,000,000 worldwide. So genus Betacoronavirus is
> > now second behind genus Homo as the deadliest. See updated listing
> below.
> > -----------------Ken Kinman
> >
> > Deadliest genera to humans in
> > the 21st Century
> >
> > Homo via bad dietary choices (especially those derived from
> Saccharomyces,
> > Bos, Zea, Saccharum, and/or Beta, i.e. excess consumption of sugars,
> > alcohol, and/or red meat) (resulting in over 13,000,000 human deaths per
> > year).
> > Homo via Nicotiana, causing cancers from tobacco smoking and chewing
> (over
> > 5,000,000 human deaths per year).
> > Homo (humans killing over 400,000 humans per year, plus about 800,000
> > suicides, totaling over 1,200,000 deaths per year).
> > Betacoronavirus (killed about 2,000,000 humans in the year 2020).
> > Mycobacterium, especially M. tuberculosis (over 1,200,000 human deaths
> per
> > year).
> > Lentavirus, causing HIV infections (over 900,000 deaths per year).
> > Streptococcus, causing pneumonia and streptococcal meningitis (over
> > 500,000 deaths per year).
> > Plasmodium (Anopheles the vector) causing malaria (about 400,000 deaths
> > per year).
> > Alphainfluenzavirus, causing flu (290,000-645,000 human deaths per year).
> > Treponema, causing syphilis (about 100,000 deaths per year, plus over
> > 200,000 stillbirths and neonatal deaths; total over 300,000 deaths).
> >
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Rotavirus, causing enteritis (over 150,000 human deaths per year).
> > Salmonella, causing typhoid fever (over 100,000 human deaths per year).
> > Neisseria, causing meningococcal meningitis (about 75,000 human deaths
> per
> > year).
> > Haemophilus, causing type b meningitis (about 70,000 human deaths per
> > year).
> > Entamoeba, causing amoebic dysentery (50,000-100,000 humans per year).
> > Clostridium, causing tetanus (about 60,000 human deaths per year).
> > Norovirus (over 50,000 human deaths per year; with some estimates as high
> > as 200,000).
> > Cryptosporidium, causing cryptosporidiosis (over 50,000 human deaths per
> > year).
> > Aedes (carrying several viral diseases) (over 50,000 human death per
> year).
> > Schistosoma, causing schistosomiasis (about 50,000 deaths; about 200,000
> > humans in the year 2000; but treatment programs have reduced the number).
> > Bordetella, causing whooping cough (about 50,000 human deaths per year).
> > Shigella, causing shigellosis (about 50,000 human deaths per year).
> >
> >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> on behalf of Les
> > Watling via Taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 12:49 PM
> > To: Cc: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> > Subject: [Taxacom] human death list
> >
> > As the covid-19 pandemic was beginning to unfold a few persons on this
> list
> > put out ranked lists of deaths of humans from various things like the
> early
> > 20th century flu pandemic, wars, and the like.
> >
> > I am wondering if those who posted during the early days of the covid
> > pandemic a year ago have thought of updating their lists of major causes
> of
> > human deaths. I seem to remember there was some thought that this wasn't
> > going to be a very serious pandemic, but I could be wrong about that.
> >
> > In any case, I am curious about where the covid-19 total death numbers
> rank
> > with other pandemics, wars, etc.
> >
> > Best,
> > Les Watling
> > Professor, School of Life Sciences
> > 216 Edmondson Hall
> > University of Hawaii at Manoa
> > Honolulu, HI 96822
> > Ph. 808-956-8621
> > Cell: 808-772-9563
> > e-mail: watling at hawaii.edu
> > _______________________________________________
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> 1987-2021.
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 21:19:16 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
> To: John Grehan <calabar.john at gmail.com>
> Cc: "Cc: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>,
> Kenneth Kinman <kinman at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] human death list
> Message-ID: <1825406865.1734596.1617052756893 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Yes, but I'm just suggesting that real world comparisons are always
> tricky. Any summary number hides a complexity of caveats. People tend to
> interpret such stats differently. For example, I could imagine someone
> concluding from Ken's list that Covid19 has become the most deadly
> infectious disease on Earth, when, in fact, the most that one can say is
> that it was the most deadly documented infectious disease on Earth in 2020.
> Maybe some diseases lower on the list were even more deadly than Covid19
> in their first year? The fact that Covid19 preferentially goes for older
> and sicker people also makes comparisons difficult. For example, if Covid19
> and AIDS both killed 1m people, just as an imaginary example, the latter
> would arguably be the bigger tragedy as it would take out more people who
> would otherwise have been healthy. It is also interesting to consider
> mortality in terms of the number of future generations of people who will
> not be born because of the premature death of their ancestors. If a disease
> goes preferentially for old people, that will not be a big factor.
> Comparisons are a minefield of complexity!
> Stephen
> On Tuesday, 30 March 2021, 09:50:31 am NZDT, John Grehan <
> calabar.john at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> OK - perhaps so, although how one would dissect this out in relation to
> historical records might be tricky.
> On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 4:33 PM Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
> wrote:
>
> No, I'm suggesting that it applies more, not equally, to covid. Of course
> it applies to some extent to everything else.Stephen
> On Tuesday, 30 March 2021, 09:19:22 am NZDT, John Grehan <
> calabar.john at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The caveat "contributed to the death of " might well apply to all the
> other diseases as well. And perhaps even killing of humans since a number
> of other factors are also involved (such as being present at the time of
> death, or then dying because of the lack of medical resources immediately
> to hand etc.).
> On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 3:28 PM Stephen Thorpe via Taxacom <
> taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:
>
> It may not be as simple as saying that Betacoronavirus "killed 2m", but
> rather "contributed to the death of 2m", or even just "2m people died
> within 28 days of a positive covid test". There seems to be a lot of wiggle
> room for "creative accounting" of covid deaths, more so than other
> c.o.d.'s. At least some of the 2m for Betacoronavirus need to be
> substracted from the totals from other c.o.d.'s (crucially including other
> things not in the list like "old age"), but, of course, we can't know the
> details there. I also note that, unlike the other causes on your list, the
> 2m figure for Betacoronovirus is based on a sample size of n=1 (year), so
> even a five year average is as yet unknown. It seems plausible that the
> first year could be by far the most deadly. This invalidates comparisons
> somewhat.
> Stephen
>
> On Tuesday, 30 March 2021, 07:38:14 am NZDT, Kenneth Kinman via
> Taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:
>
> Hi Les,
> Yes, I seriously underestimated what the death toll would be from
> this pandemic. My list was for deaths per calendar year, and the death
> toll for 2020 was about 2,000,000 worldwide. So genus Betacoronavirus is
> now second behind genus Homo as the deadliest. See updated listing below.
> -----------------Ken Kinman
>
> Deadliest genera to humans in
> the 21st Century
>
> Homo via bad dietary choices (especially those derived from Saccharomyces,
> Bos, Zea, Saccharum, and/or Beta, i.e. excess consumption of sugars,
> alcohol, and/or red meat) (resulting in over 13,000,000 human deaths per
> year).
> Homo via Nicotiana, causing cancers from tobacco smoking and chewing (over
> 5,000,000 human deaths per year).
> Homo (humans killing over 400,000 humans per year, plus about 800,000
> suicides, totaling over 1,200,000 deaths per year).
> Betacoronavirus (killed about 2,000,000 humans in the year 2020).
> Mycobacterium, especially M. tuberculosis (over 1,200,000 human deaths per
> year).
> Lentavirus, causing HIV infections (over 900,000 deaths per year).
> Streptococcus, causing pneumonia and streptococcal meningitis (over
> 500,000 deaths per year).
> Plasmodium (Anopheles the vector) causing malaria (about 400,000 deaths
> per year).
> Alphainfluenzavirus, causing flu (290,000-645,000 human deaths per year).
> Treponema, causing syphilis (about 100,000 deaths per year, plus over
> 200,000 stillbirths and neonatal deaths; total over 300,000 deaths).
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Rotavirus, causing enteritis (over 150,000 human deaths per year).
> Salmonella, causing typhoid fever (over 100,000 human deaths per year).
> Neisseria, causing meningococcal meningitis (about 75,000 human deaths per
> year).
> Haemophilus, causing type b meningitis (about 70,000 human deaths per
> year).
> Entamoeba, causing amoebic dysentery (50,000-100,000 humans per year).
> Clostridium, causing tetanus (about 60,000 human deaths per year).
> Norovirus (over 50,000 human deaths per year; with some estimates as high
> as 200,000).
> Cryptosporidium, causing cryptosporidiosis (over 50,000 human deaths per
> year).
> Aedes (carrying several viral diseases) (over 50,000 human death per year).
> Schistosoma, causing schistosomiasis (about 50,000 deaths; about 200,000
> humans in the year 2000; but treatment programs have reduced the number).
> Bordetella, causing whooping cough (about 50,000 human deaths per year).
> Shigella, causing shigellosis (about 50,000 human deaths per year).
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ________________________________
> From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> on behalf of Les
> Watling via Taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 12:49 PM
> To: Cc: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> Subject: [Taxacom] human death list
>
> As the covid-19 pandemic was beginning to unfold a few persons on this list
> put out ranked lists of deaths of humans from various things like the early
> 20th century flu pandemic, wars, and the like.
>
> I am wondering if those who posted during the early days of the covid
> pandemic a year ago have thought of updating their lists of major causes of
> human deaths. I seem to remember there was some thought that this wasn't
> going to be a very serious pandemic, but I could be wrong about that.
>
> In any case, I am curious about where the covid-19 total death numbers rank
> with other pandemics, wars, etc.
>
> Best,
> Les Watling
> Professor, School of Life Sciences
> 216 Edmondson Hall
> University of Hawaii at Manoa
> Honolulu, HI 96822
> Ph. 808-956-8621
> Cell: 808-772-9563
> e-mail: watling at hawaii.edu
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 17:26:42 -0400
> From: John Grehan <calabar.john at gmail.com>
> To: Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
> Cc: "Cc: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>,
> Kenneth Kinman <kinman at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] human death list
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Agreed.
>
> On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 5:19 PM Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Yes, but I'm just suggesting that real world comparisons are always
> > tricky. Any summary number hides a complexity of caveats. People tend to
> > interpret such stats differently. For example, I could imagine someone
> > concluding from Ken's list that Covid19 has become the most deadly
> > infectious disease on Earth, when, in fact, the most that one can say is
> > that it was the most deadly documented infectious disease on Earth in
> 2020.
> > Maybe some diseases lower on the list were even more deadly than Covid19
> > in their first year? The fact that Covid19 preferentially goes for older
> > and sicker people also makes comparisons difficult. For example, if
> Covid19
> > and AIDS both killed 1m people, just as an imaginary example, the latter
> > would arguably be the bigger tragedy as it would take out more people who
> > would otherwise have been healthy. It is also interesting to consider
> > mortality in terms of the number of future generations of people who will
> > not be born because of the premature death of their ancestors. If a
> disease
> > goes preferentially for old people, that will not be a big factor.
> > Comparisons are a minefield of complexity!
> >
> > Stephen
> >
> > On Tuesday, 30 March 2021, 09:50:31 am NZDT, John Grehan <
> > calabar.john at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > OK - perhaps so, although how one would dissect this out in relation to
> > historical records might be tricky.
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 4:33 PM Stephen Thorpe <
> stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
> > wrote:
> >
> > No, I'm suggesting that it applies more, not equally, to covid. Of course
> > it applies to some extent to everything else.
> > Stephen
> >
> > On Tuesday, 30 March 2021, 09:19:22 am NZDT, John Grehan <
> > calabar.john at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > The caveat "contributed to the death of " might well apply to all the
> > other diseases as well. And perhaps even killing of humans since a number
> > of other factors are also involved (such as being present at the time of
> > death, or then dying because of the lack of medical resources immediately
> > to hand etc.).
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 3:28 PM Stephen Thorpe via Taxacom <
> > taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:
> >
> > It may not be as simple as saying that Betacoronavirus "killed 2m", but
> > rather "contributed to the death of 2m", or even just "2m people died
> > within 28 days of a positive covid test". There seems to be a lot of
> wiggle
> > room for "creative accounting" of covid deaths, more so than other
> > c.o.d.'s. At least some of the 2m for Betacoronavirus need to be
> > substracted from the totals from other c.o.d.'s (crucially including
> other
> > things not in the list like "old age"), but, of course, we can't know the
> > details there. I also note that, unlike the other causes on your list,
> the
> > 2m figure for Betacoronovirus is based on a sample size of n=1 (year), so
> > even a five year average is as yet unknown. It seems plausible that the
> > first year could be by far the most deadly. This invalidates comparisons
> > somewhat.
> > Stephen
> >
> > On Tuesday, 30 March 2021, 07:38:14 am NZDT, Kenneth Kinman via
> > Taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Les,
> > Yes, I seriously underestimated what the death toll would be from
> > this pandemic. My list was for deaths per calendar year, and the death
> > toll for 2020 was about 2,000,000 worldwide. So genus Betacoronavirus is
> > now second behind genus Homo as the deadliest. See updated listing
> below.
> > -----------------Ken Kinman
> >
> > Deadliest genera to humans in
> > the 21st Century
> >
> > Homo via bad dietary choices (especially those derived from
> Saccharomyces,
> > Bos, Zea, Saccharum, and/or Beta, i.e. excess consumption of sugars,
> > alcohol, and/or red meat) (resulting in over 13,000,000 human deaths per
> > year).
> > Homo via Nicotiana, causing cancers from tobacco smoking and chewing
> (over
> > 5,000,000 human deaths per year).
> > Homo (humans killing over 400,000 humans per year, plus about 800,000
> > suicides, totaling over 1,200,000 deaths per year).
> > Betacoronavirus (killed about 2,000,000 humans in the year 2020).
> > Mycobacterium, especially M. tuberculosis (over 1,200,000 human deaths
> per
> > year).
> > Lentavirus, causing HIV infections (over 900,000 deaths per year).
> > Streptococcus, causing pneumonia and streptococcal meningitis (over
> > 500,000 deaths per year).
> > Plasmodium (Anopheles the vector) causing malaria (about 400,000 deaths
> > per year).
> > Alphainfluenzavirus, causing flu (290,000-645,000 human deaths per year).
> > Treponema, causing syphilis (about 100,000 deaths per year, plus over
> > 200,000 stillbirths and neonatal deaths; total over 300,000 deaths).
> >
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Rotavirus, causing enteritis (over 150,000 human deaths per year).
> > Salmonella, causing typhoid fever (over 100,000 human deaths per year).
> > Neisseria, causing meningococcal meningitis (about 75,000 human deaths
> per
> > year).
> > Haemophilus, causing type b meningitis (about 70,000 human deaths per
> > year).
> > Entamoeba, causing amoebic dysentery (50,000-100,000 humans per year).
> > Clostridium, causing tetanus (about 60,000 human deaths per year).
> > Norovirus (over 50,000 human deaths per year; with some estimates as high
> > as 200,000).
> > Cryptosporidium, causing cryptosporidiosis (over 50,000 human deaths per
> > year).
> > Aedes (carrying several viral diseases) (over 50,000 human death per
> year).
> > Schistosoma, causing schistosomiasis (about 50,000 deaths; about 200,000
> > humans in the year 2000; but treatment programs have reduced the number).
> > Bordetella, causing whooping cough (about 50,000 human deaths per year).
> > Shigella, causing shigellosis (about 50,000 human deaths per year).
> >
> >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> on behalf of Les
> > Watling via Taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 12:49 PM
> > To: Cc: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> > Subject: [Taxacom] human death list
> >
> > As the covid-19 pandemic was beginning to unfold a few persons on this
> list
> > put out ranked lists of deaths of humans from various things like the
> early
> > 20th century flu pandemic, wars, and the like.
> >
> > I am wondering if those who posted during the early days of the covid
> > pandemic a year ago have thought of updating their lists of major causes
> of
> > human deaths. I seem to remember there was some thought that this wasn't
> > going to be a very serious pandemic, but I could be wrong about that.
> >
> > In any case, I am curious about where the covid-19 total death numbers
> rank
> > with other pandemics, wars, etc.
> >
> > Best,
> > Les Watling
> > Professor, School of Life Sciences
> > 216 Edmondson Hall
> > University of Hawaii at Manoa
> > Honolulu, HI 96822
> > Ph. 808-956-8621
> > Cell: 808-772-9563
> > e-mail: watling at hawaii.edu
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>
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 23:10:55 +0000
> From: Kenneth Kinman <kinman at hotmail.com>
> To: Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>, "Cc:
> taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] human death list
> Message-ID:
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>
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>
> Hi Stephen,
> There are already nearly 1,000,000 covid deaths in 2021, so it
> could easily reach 2,000,000 this year. Then it will likely drop off some
> in 2022 (unless deadlier variants keep the numbers up in 2022).
> In any case, it will probably eventually drop down to hundreds of
> thousands per year (like influenza, HIV, malaria, etc.). We'll probably
> have to have annual booster shots like we do for influenza to keep up with
> variants.
> As for wiggle room, the numbers could be underestimates rather
> than overestimates. How many deaths did it really cause in China.
> Probably a lot more than WHO's official number of 4,636. It was estimated
> that they had 36,000 deaths in Wuhan by March 2020:
> https://covid19.elsevierpure.com/de/clippings/chinas-real-covid-19-death-toll-could-be-14-times-bigger-than-off
> [https://covid19.elsevierpure.com/skin/headerImage/]<
> https://covid19.elsevierpure.com/de/clippings/chinas-real-covid-19-death-toll-could-be-14-times-bigger-than-off
> >
> China's real Covid-19 death toll could be 14 TIMES bigger than official
> data shows as study claims at least 36,000 people had already died in Wuhan
> by mid-March<
> https://covid19.elsevierpure.com/de/clippings/chinas-real-covid-19-death-toll-could-be-14-times-bigger-than-off
> >
> covid19.elsevierpure.com
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 2:28 PM
> To: Cc: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>; Kenneth
> Kinman <kinman at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] human death list
>
> It may not be as simple as saying that Betacoronavirus "killed 2m", but
> rather "contributed to the death of 2m", or even just "2m people died
> within 28 days of a positive covid test". There seems to be a lot of wiggle
> room for "creative accounting" of covid deaths, more so than other
> c.o.d.'s. At least some of the 2m for Betacoronavirus need to be
> substracted from the totals from other c.o.d.'s (crucially including other
> things not in the list like "old age"), but, of course, we can't know the
> details there. I also note that, unlike the other causes on your list, the
> 2m figure for Betacoronovirus is based on a sample size of n=1 (year), so
> even a five year average is as yet unknown. It seems plausible that the
> first year could be by far the most deadly. This invalidates comparisons
> somewhat.
> Stephen
>
>
> On Tuesday, 30 March 2021, 07:38:14 am NZDT, Kenneth Kinman via Taxacom <
> taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Les,
> Yes, I seriously underestimated what the death toll would be from
> this pandemic. My list was for deaths per calendar year, and the death
> toll for 2020 was about 2,000,000 worldwide. So genus Betacoronavirus is
> now second behind genus Homo as the deadliest. See updated listing below.
> -----------------Ken Kinman
>
> Deadliest genera to humans in
> the 21st Century
>
> Homo via bad dietary choices (especially those derived from Saccharomyces,
> Bos, Zea, Saccharum, and/or Beta, i.e. excess consumption of sugars,
> alcohol, and/or red meat) (resulting in over 13,000,000 human deaths per
> year).
> Homo via Nicotiana, causing cancers from tobacco smoking and chewing (over
> 5,000,000 human deaths per year).
> Homo (humans killing over 400,000 humans per year, plus about 800,000
> suicides, totaling over 1,200,000 deaths per year).
> Betacoronavirus (killed about 2,000,000 humans in the year 2020).
> Mycobacterium, especially M. tuberculosis (over 1,200,000 human deaths per
> year).
> Lentavirus, causing HIV infections (over 900,000 deaths per year).
> Streptococcus, causing pneumonia and streptococcal meningitis (over
> 500,000 deaths per year).
> Plasmodium (Anopheles the vector) causing malaria (about 400,000 deaths
> per year).
> Alphainfluenzavirus, causing flu (290,000-645,000 human deaths per year).
> Treponema, causing syphilis (about 100,000 deaths per year, plus over
> 200,000 stillbirths and neonatal deaths; total over 300,000 deaths).
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Rotavirus, causing enteritis (over 150,000 human deaths per year).
> Salmonella, causing typhoid fever (over 100,000 human deaths per year).
> Neisseria, causing meningococcal meningitis (about 75,000 human deaths per
> year).
> Haemophilus, causing type b meningitis (about 70,000 human deaths per
> year).
> Entamoeba, causing amoebic dysentery (50,000-100,000 humans per year).
> Clostridium, causing tetanus (about 60,000 human deaths per year).
> Norovirus (over 50,000 human deaths per year; with some estimates as high
> as 200,000).
> Cryptosporidium, causing cryptosporidiosis (over 50,000 human deaths per
> year).
> Aedes (carrying several viral diseases) (over 50,000 human death per year).
> Schistosoma, causing schistosomiasis (about 50,000 deaths; about 200,000
> humans in the year 2000; but treatment programs have reduced the number).
> Bordetella, causing whooping cough (about 50,000 human deaths per year).
> Shigella, causing shigellosis (about 50,000 human deaths per year).
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ________________________________
> From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu<mailto:
> taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>> on behalf of Les Watling via Taxacom
> <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu<mailto:taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>>
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 12:49 PM
> To: Cc: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu<mailto:taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> <
> taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu<mailto:taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>>
> Subject: [Taxacom] human death list
>
> As the covid-19 pandemic was beginning to unfold a few persons on this list
> put out ranked lists of deaths of humans from various things like the early
> 20th century flu pandemic, wars, and the like.
>
> I am wondering if those who posted during the early days of the covid
> pandemic a year ago have thought of updating their lists of major causes of
> human deaths. I seem to remember there was some thought that this wasn't
> going to be a very serious pandemic, but I could be wrong about that.
>
> In any case, I am curious about where the covid-19 total death numbers rank
> with other pandemics, wars, etc.
>
> Best,
> Les Watling
> Professor, School of Life Sciences
> 216 Edmondson Hall
> University of Hawaii at Manoa
> Honolulu, HI 96822
> Ph. 808-956-8621
> Cell: 808-772-9563
> e-mail: watling at hawaii.edu<mailto:watling at hawaii.edu>
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>
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 00:47:28 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
> To: "Cc: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>,
> Kenneth Kinman <kinman at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] human death list
> Message-ID: <750732865.1874452.1617065248649 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Yes, the numbers could be overestimates or underestimates, who really
> knows? This makes it seem even more pointless to rank things based on data
> of unknown reliability.Stephen
> On Tuesday, 30 March 2021, 12:10:56 pm NZDT, Kenneth Kinman <
> kinman at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> #yiv4490434463 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Hi Stephen, There
> are already nearly 1,000,000 covid deaths in 2021, so it could easily reach
> 2,000,000 this year. Then it will likely drop off some in 2022 (unless
> deadlier variants keep the numbers up in 2022). In any case, it
> will probably eventually drop down to hundreds of thousands per year (like
> influenza, HIV, malaria, etc.). We'll probably have to have annual
> booster shots like we do for influenza to keep up with variants.
> As for wiggle room, the numbers could be underestimates rather than
> overestimates. How many deaths did it really cause in China. Probably a
> lot more than WHO's official number of 4,636. It was estimated that they
> had 36,000 deaths in Wuhan by March 2020:
> https://covid19.elsevierpure.com/de/clippings/chinas-real-covid-19-death-toll-could-be-14-times-bigger-than-off
> | | China's real Covid-19 death toll could be 14 TIMES bigger than
> official data shows as study claims at least 36,000 people had already died
> in Wuhan by mid-Marchcovid19.elsevierpure.com |
>
>
>
> From: Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 2:28 PM
> To: Cc: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>; Kenneth
> Kinman <kinman at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] human death list It may not be as simple as saying
> that Betacoronavirus "killed 2m", but rather "contributed to the death of
> 2m", or even just "2m people died within 28 days of a positive covid test".
> There seems to be a lot of wiggle room for "creative accounting" of covid
> deaths, more so than other c.o.d.'s. At least some of the 2m for
> Betacoronavirus need to be substracted from the totals from other c.o.d.'s
> (crucially including other things not in the list like "old age"), but, of
> course, we can't know the details there. I also note that, unlike the other
> causes on your list, the 2m figure for Betacoronovirus is based on a sample
> size of n=1 (year), so even a five year average is as yet unknown. It seems
> plausible that the first year could be by far the most deadly. This
> invalidates comparisons somewhat.
> Stephen
>
> On Tuesday, 30 March 2021, 07:38:14 am NZDT, Kenneth Kinman via Taxacom <
> taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:
>
> Hi Les,
> Yes, I seriously underestimated what the death toll would be from
> this pandemic. My list was for deaths per calendar year, and the death
> toll for 2020 was about 2,000,000 worldwide. So genus Betacoronavirus is
> now second behind genus Homo as the deadliest. See updated listing below.
> -----------------Ken Kinman
>
> Deadliest genera to humans in
> the 21st Century
>
> Homo via bad dietary choices (especially those derived from Saccharomyces,
> Bos, Zea, Saccharum, and/or Beta, i.e. excess consumption of sugars,
> alcohol, and/or red meat) (resulting in over 13,000,000 human deaths per
> year).
> Homo via Nicotiana, causing cancers from tobacco smoking and chewing (over
> 5,000,000 human deaths per year).
> Homo (humans killing over 400,000 humans per year, plus about 800,000
> suicides, totaling over 1,200,000 deaths per year).
> Betacoronavirus (killed about 2,000,000 humans in the year 2020).
> Mycobacterium, especially M. tuberculosis (over 1,200,000 human deaths per
> year).
> Lentavirus, causing HIV infections (over 900,000 deaths per year).
> Streptococcus, causing pneumonia and streptococcal meningitis (over
> 500,000 deaths per year).
> Plasmodium (Anopheles the vector) causing malaria (about 400,000 deaths
> per year).
> Alphainfluenzavirus, causing flu (290,000-645,000 human deaths per year).
> Treponema, causing syphilis (about 100,000 deaths per year, plus over
> 200,000 stillbirths and neonatal deaths; total over 300,000 deaths).
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Rotavirus, causing enteritis (over 150,000 human deaths per year).
> Salmonella, causing typhoid fever (over 100,000 human deaths per year).
> Neisseria, causing meningococcal meningitis (about 75,000 human deaths per
> year).
> Haemophilus, causing type b meningitis (about 70,000 human deaths per
> year).
> Entamoeba, causing amoebic dysentery (50,000-100,000 humans per year).
> Clostridium, causing tetanus (about 60,000 human deaths per year).
> Norovirus (over 50,000 human deaths per year; with some estimates as high
> as 200,000).
> Cryptosporidium, causing cryptosporidiosis (over 50,000 human deaths per
> year).
> Aedes (carrying several viral diseases) (over 50,000 human death per year).
> Schistosoma, causing schistosomiasis (about 50,000 deaths; about 200,000
> humans in the year 2000; but treatment programs have reduced the number).
> Bordetella, causing whooping cough (about 50,000 human deaths per year).
> Shigella, causing shigellosis (about 50,000 human deaths per year).
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ________________________________
> From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> on behalf of Les
> Watling via Taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 12:49 PM
> To: Cc: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> Subject: [Taxacom] human death list
>
> As the covid-19 pandemic was beginning to unfold a few persons on this list
> put out ranked lists of deaths of humans from various things like the early
> 20th century flu pandemic, wars, and the like.
>
> I am wondering if those who posted during the early days of the covid
> pandemic a year ago have thought of updating their lists of major causes of
> human deaths. I seem to remember there was some thought that this wasn't
> going to be a very serious pandemic, but I could be wrong about that.
>
> In any case, I am curious about where the covid-19 total death numbers rank
> with other pandemics, wars, etc.
>
> Best,
> Les Watling
> Professor, School of Life Sciences
> 216 Edmondson Hall
> University of Hawaii at Manoa
> Honolulu, HI 96822
> Ph. 808-956-8621
> Cell: 808-772-9563
> e-mail: watling at hawaii.edu
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