[Taxacom] ductus bursa or ductus bursae?

[Michael Heads]

sorry again, typo in my last mail. Yes, ductus bursae is the plural

On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 4:21 PM Donald Hobern <dhobern at gbif.org> wrote:

> Sorry - *ductus *is Latin fourth declension so the plural of *ductus *is *ductus
> *(long second 'u') and the plural of *ductus bursae *would be * ductus
> bursarum* (the ducts of the pouches). *Corpora bursarum *would be the
> corresponding plural of *corpus bursae.*
>
> Donald
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> Heads via Taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
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> *To:* Soowon Cho <chosoowon at gmail.com>
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> *Subject:* Re: [Taxacom] ductus bursa or ductus bursae?
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> plural is ducti bursae = ducts of the bursa; ducti bursarum = ducts of the
> bursas.
> Yes, corpora bursae is the plural.
>
> On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 2:31 PM Soowon Cho via Taxacom <
> taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:
>
> > Dear Members,
> >
> > First of all, thanks for commenting on "ductus bursae".
> >
> > When describing the type of moth, the singular form is mainly used, such
> as
> > forewings, antennae, ocellus, and so on, but the plural form is also used
> > when there is a pair of moths, such as forewings, antennae, and hind
> legs.
> >
> > Of course, as Stephen Thorpe points out, even if there is only one part
> per
> > moth to explain, we can still talk about "ductus bursae" in the general
> > plural sense.
> > So, as David Redei explained, it's really nice to know that "ductus
> > bursae", not "ductus bursa", is the correct singular form of the grammar.
> >
> > Here I have two questions.
> > If "ductus" can be both singular and plural, what is the plural of
> "ductus
> > bursae"? Is it the same "ductus bursae"?
> > As Elisa Rost individually mentioned to me, if "corpus" can only be
> > singular (the plural is "corpora"), then what is the plural of "corpus
> > bursae" if "corpus bursae" is singular? "corpora bursae"?
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 11:50 AM David Redei via Taxacom <
> > taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Soowon,
> > >
> > > *bursa *is the nominative singular of this Latin noun ("one bursa"). In
> > the
> > > declension system of Latin nouns, both the nominative plural of *bursa
> > > *("one
> > > bursa, two bursae") and genitive singular of *bursa *(of the bursa =
> > > bursa's = bursae) are *bursae*. In the morphological term *ductus
> bursae*
> > > the noun *bursa *is in genitive singular, it means "the duct of the
> > bursa",
> > > "the bursa's duct". "Ductus bursa" is grammatically wrong.
> > >
> > > With best regards,
> > >
> > > David Redei
> > >
> > > On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 at 10:11, Soowon Cho via Taxacom <
> > > taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear members,
> > > >
> > > > I use terms like 'ductus bursae' or 'corpus bursae' to describe the
> > > female
> > > > genitalia in Lepidoptera taxonomy. However, I am confused as the term
> > > > ductus bursae is a plural noun while only one ductus bursa is in the
> > > female
> > > > genitalia.
> > > > I searched the internet and found examples such as 'ductus bursa is',
> > > > 'ductus bursae are', and 'ductus bursae is', so I was more confused.
> > > > Can someone please clarify this for me?
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely,
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Soowon Cho
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*Biogeography and evolution in New Zealand. *Taylor and Francis/CRC, Boca
Raton FL. 2017.
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*Biogeography of Australasia:  A molecular analysis*. Cambridge University
Press, Cambridge. 2014. www.cambridge.org/9781107041028


*Molecular panbiogeography of the tropics. *University of California Press,
Berkeley. 2012. www.ucpress.edu/book.php?isbn=9780520271968


*Panbiogeography: Tracking the history of life*. Oxford University Press,
New York. 1999. (With R. Craw and J. Grehan).
http://books.google.co.nz/books?id=Bm0_QQ3Z6GUC
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