Hi all, in response to Stephen and John on "showing" vs. "suggesting" if Karen wanted to just say "Oh Good Grief!" I would be right behind her! 🤗 Les Watling Professor, School of Life Sciences 216 Edmondson Hall University of Hawaii at Manoa Honolulu, HI 96822 Ph. 808-956-8621 Cell: 808-772-9563 e-mail: watling at hawaii.edu