[Taxacom] Fwd: Zootaxa taken off of JCR

Tony Rees tonyrees49 at gmail.com
Tue Jul 28 18:37:56 CDT 2020 

Apparently Clarivate Analytics have now reversed their decision to remove
both Zootaxa and the International Journal of Systematic and Evolutionary
Microbiology from its indexing for Journal Impact Factors - report here:
https://retractionwatch.com/2020/07/28/major-indexing-service-reverses-decision-to-suppress-two-journals-from-closely-followed-metric/?fbclid=IwAR1HacxErSwSutSDWWo3-oWx83ftvQ1pYj3m4K6LnwKdxPnByLnrDnUFsHQ

A good outcome following representations from the parties affected, it
would seem.

Regards - Tony

Tony Rees, New South Wales, Australia
https://about.me/TonyRees
www.irmng.org


On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 at 20:48, David Redei via Taxacom <
taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:

> Sorry if the following piece of information has already been mentioned, the
> discussion is now progressing in so many directions that I started to get
> lost. I just want to mention that according to Google's newly released
> Scholar Metrics:
>
> https://scholar.googleblog.com/2020/07/2020-scholar-metrics-released.html
> ,
>
> Zootaxa has a fairly impressive ranking:
>
>
> https://scholar.google.com/citations?view_op=top_venues&hl=en&vq=bio_zoology
>
> With best regards, David Redei
>
> On Tue, 7 Jul 2020 at 22:50, Péter Poczai via Taxacom <
> taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> wrote:
>
> > Impact factors are imperfect scientometric values. Perhaps a reliable
> > evaluation method should definitely rely on other values than solely IF.
> > The reason why ZooTaxa - and many other journals got suspended from the
> IF
> > listing is the high amount of self-citations (43% in case of ZooTaxa).
> > Here's the list:
> >
> https://retractionwatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Title-Suppress-2.pdf
> >
> > It is certainly possible to list ZooTaxa again in JCR. I don't think that
> > the self-citations in this case are the result of a cartel activity. They
> > rather arise from the fact that papers published there are often very
> long
> > monographs (>100 pp) that are assessing very specific topics. ZooTaxa
> > is responsible for over 25% of new taxon descriptions and nomenclatural
> > acts in Zoology. Thus it is inevitable to cite these papers in a
> taxonomic
> > revision/monograph. I wonder what's the case with PhytoTaxa and
> PhytoKeys?
> > They were not listed in the list but they have the same purpose and
> publish
> > similar types of long botanical monographs.
> >
> > Clarivate the company behind the impact factor indexes 21,000 journals,
> but
> > only 12,000 are included in the annual Journal Citation Report (JCR) and
> > receive Impact Factors. There are currently two reasons for suppression
> > from the JCR: journal self-citation and “citation-stacking,” behavior
> which
> > is sometimes referred to as taking part in “citation cartels” or
> “citation
> > rings.” None of the suppressions or expressions of concern this year were
> > for citation stacking. When the company suppresses a journal from the
> JCR,
> > it continues to count its citations, but does not assign it an Impact
> > Factor. Clarivate recently changed their citation evaluation and tracking
> > system. They also modified the way how self-citations are calculated.
> This
> > could be the very reason why ZooTaxa got suppressed this year, which
> might
> > be an artifact.
> >
> > For example if the journal's editorial board with the taxonomic community
> > would investigate why the suspension has happened and clear up the issue
> > with about the high amount of self-citations to Clarivate it could be
> back
> > to IF indexing any time. This might be a precedental case for the company
> > to fine tune their evaluation system.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Péter
> >
> > Donat Agosti via Taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> ezt írta (időpont:
> > 2020. júl. 7., K, 11:02):
> >
> > > We might want to look beyond Zootaxa and what is happening around
> > taxonomy
> > > in regards of publishing and assessing science.
> > >
> > > Science is moving rapidly into open science whereby metrics beyond the
> > > journal impact factors are being measured and used not least in hiring
> > > scientists. One of the most important developments has been the DORA
> > > declaration on research assessment https://sfdora.org/ that recognizes
> > > the need to improve the ways in which the outputs of scholarly research
> > are
> > > evaluated. It has been signed by  many of the leading research
> > institutions
> > > and funding agencies, and many institutions now would not allow the
> > > citation indices as criteria to evaluate candidates.
> > >
> > > What does this mean for a journal? A journal is more than a pdf that
> can
> > > be cited. It is part of a contribution to building up our knowledge by
> > > citing other research. Taxonomy is one of the best fields to illustrate
> > > this. The function of a taxonomic publication is to contribute to chart
> > the
> > > world's biodiversity by describing new species (taxa) or augmenting the
> > > knowledge of existing ones by citing the respective taxonomic
> treatments,
> > > NOT the article per se that functions as a container for this
> > information.
> > > The treatment itself cites other taxa, other treatments, figures,
> > > specimens, collectors, gene sequences. In a PDF this is part of a prose
> > > that requires a lot of knowledge by the reader to decipher. In todays
> > > world, an article can be published including all these links
> explicitly,
> > so
> > > that either the machine can read and operate on it, or the links can be
> > > embedded in the PDF or html page which allows to calculate how often
> this
> > > data is cited.
> > > That means that a journal should make its data citable by tagging the
> > data
> > > and assigning persistent identifiers to the treatments, figures, or
> even
> > > the materials citation and specimens cited, gene sequences. It should
> add
> > > all the persistent identifiers to whenever something is cited, such as
> a
> > > previous treatment.
> > > Only this way, we can talk to our funders and institutions with
> > statistics
> > > on hour hands that are what the DORA declaration asks for.
> > >
> > > In this context, we should look into the future rather than try to
> > restore
> > > the past.
> > >
> > > Luckily for taxonomy, this is not the future, but we have this in
> place,
> > > just need to adopt this more widely, and the data this way accessible
> is
> > > immediately used, and widely accessible. Already the data from over
> > 30,000
> > > publications is accessible on GBIF (that means GBIF is re-using the
> data
> > > from within publications:
> > >
> >
> https://www.gbif.org/dataset/search?publishing_org=7ce8aef0-9e92-11dc-8738-b8a03c50a862
> > > because the data has been published in a format that it can be reused
> by
> > > machine (such as all the journals published by Pensoft) or they have
> been
> > > liberated and made citable via the Biodiversity Literature Repository (
> > > https://zenodo.org/communities/biosyslit/search?page=1&size=20) where
> > > also basic statistics for each data set is provided.
> > >
> > > If we would assign for each figure or treatment a Digital Object
> > > Identifier (DOI), there are tools around to calculate statistics that
> we
> > > can promote. We could expand to include more identifiers, such as ORCID
> > for
> > > persons, methods used, specimens or gene sequences. This would also
> > > facilitate to not only known how often a specimen has been cited, but
> > also
> > > the facts published about the specimen or gene sequence.
> > >
> > > It is probably also worthwhile to have a bit a wider view. It is clear
> > > that running and publishing a journal is not free, and because
> publishing
> > > becomes increasingly technically complex (not to publish a dump PDF per
> > > se), somebody has to pay for it. Clearly the subscription model is
> > running
> > > out, with all the funding agencies requiring open access publishing -
> > which
> > > makes it impossible for many of us to publish in closed access
> > > publications. The subscription model allows only a small fraction of us
> > to
> > > read what we write, because the articles are behind a paywall. This has
> > > been changed because of Sci-hub more recently, but this is not a
> > > sustainable solution, although it is helpful and shows what the
> > scientists
> > > want, free access. But arguing, that this is the model that allows
> > > everybody to publish is flawed, because it requires to circumvent
> paying
> > > for publishing.
> > >
> > > The impact of the current system is that we have no understanding what
> we
> > > publish and thus a detrimental effect on the conservation of
> > biodiversity.
> > > This we cannot afford anymore. Each of the discoveries has to be
> > > immediately accessible, part of the rapidly growing science knowledge
> > > based, in the biodiversity domain through GBIF or NCBI. We can't
> provide
> > > closed access to this valuable data, whilst citizen scientists just
> > added a
> > > billion observation to GBIF which mutes our scientific contribution. We
> > > rather must assure, that for each taxonomic name used in GBIF, we can
> > > provide all the published data (not a citation of a publication) to
> > > understand what we know about this observation, wether it is in fact
> the
> > > identified taxon.
> > >
> > > Finally, many of our institutions signed the Bouchout Declaration of
> open
> > > biodiversity knowledge management. As much as we talk to Clarivate, or
> > > probably much more, we need to talk to our institutions to remind them,
> > to
> > > explain that science also needs an investment in a publishing
> > > infrastructure that allows immediate open access. And since we publish
> > > based on a lot of sample from the South, collected by citizen
> scientists,
> > > we need to find way to allow them in return to publish and with that
> > > contribute to science also in the format of publications.
> > >
> > > Donat
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> On Behalf Of
> Richard
> > > Pyle via Taxacom
> > > Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 11:17 PM
> > > To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> > > Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Fwd: Zootaxa taken off of JCR
> > >
> > > EXTERNAL SENDER
> > >
> > >
> > > As far as I can discern, EVERYONE who has commented on this issue is
> very
> > > much on the same page on this issue philosophically, so we're all
> > preaching
> > > to the choir on that.  The interesting part of the discussion is the
> > > question on how we, as a community of taxonomists, should respond.
> There
> > > are several options:
> > >
> > > 1) Use this as a teachable moment to push back hard against the entire
> > > system of impact factors and related metrics for all of science.
> > > 2) Use this as a teachable moment to explain why taxonomy, as a field,
> is
> > > disproportionately misrepresented by such metrics, and perhaps develop
> > > alternative metrics that more accurately reflect our discipline.
> > > 3) Take proactive steps to solve the immediate problem and get Zootaxa
> > > back on the list.
> > > 4) Whine and rant about it incessantly on Taxacom, then move on to the
> > > next controversy du jour, and the one after, and so on, until a couple
> > > years from now this one comes back on the table and we all repeat the
> > same
> > > arguments again.
> > >
> > > Of course, these are not mutually exclusive options.  I'm uneasy
> pursuing
> > > #1, because for all I know, practitioners in many other branches of
> > science
> > > are perfectly happy with the system as it is.  I wouldn't presume to
> > speak
> > > on their behalf. Number 2 seems the most reasonable approach for a
> > > long-term solution, and I've already floated some suggestions on
> that.  I
> > > normally wouldn't have considered the third option worth fussing about
> > > (i.e., in line with Carlos' thinking).  However, I have been reminded
> > that
> > > this is a very real problem for real taxonomists at real institutions
> who
> > > are trying to get hired or achieve tenure or some other sort of
> > promotion.
> > > For example, I learned from a fellow ICZN Commissioner that Taiwan's
> > > Ministry of Education policy requires that national universities
> > (including
> > > Academia Sinica), only recognize journals with impact factors as can be
> > > counted for staff performance reviews. And apparently it's even worse
> in
> > > Hong Kong.  Others in Europe and the U.S., and elsewhere have
> enlightened
> > > me to similar effect.  This forces me to acknowledge that I (and
> > presumably
> > > Carlos as well) have the luxury of working for an institution where
> such
> > > metrics don't matter for hiring and promotion and such. It's probably
> not
> > > in our best interests to allow our taxonomic colleagues who don't share
> > > this luxury to suffer in the context of unenlightened institutions, as
> > this
> > > would accelerate the already speedy attenuation of taxonomy as a field
> (a
> > > falling tide lowers all boats).
> > >
> > > Of course, we already know that #4 is a given (should probably be added
> > to
> > > other laws of the universe).  But the question is, where among the
> other
> > > three should we concentrate our efforts?  The post from Les Watling
> just
> > > now, in combination with information I received off-list from another
> > ICZN
> > > Commissioner, gives some hope that #3 is already on track and will
> > probably
> > > get sorted.  So.... should we continue to explore option #2?  Or just
> > ride
> > > with #4?
> > >
> > > Aloha,
> > > Rich
> > >
> > > P.S. I thought I sent this a couple hours ago, but just now found it in
> > my
> > > drafts.  It seems Mike made essentially the same points.
> > >
> > > Richard L. Pyle, PhD
> > > Senior Curator of Ichthyology | Database Coordinator Bernice Pauahi
> > Bishop
> > > Museum
> > > 1525 Bernice Street, Honolulu, HI 96817-2704
> > > Office: (808) 848-4115;  Fax: (808) 847-8252
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> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> On Behalf Of
> Carlos
> > > > Alberto Martínez Muñoz via Taxacom
> > > > Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 6:00 AM
> > > > To: Alfredo Vizzini <alfredo.vizzini at unito.it>
> > > > Cc: Taxa com <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Fwd: Zootaxa taken off of JCR
> > > >
> > > > Dear Michael,
> > > > "...this issue has nothing to do with science or logic, it is purely
> > > > the politics of academic advancement of scientists’ careers." I
> > > wholeheartedly agree.
> > > > "We have to support that...". Definitely not.
> > > >
> > > > Before I continue, I will briefly outline the logical fallacy behind
> > the
> > > IF.
> > > > Please read: "Fallacy of Affirming the Consequent (
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FAffirming_the_consequent&data=02%7C01%7Cagosti%40amnh.org%7C67b5694dc5804015e4e108d821f1e62a%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C0%7C0%7C637296670133047350&sdata=8XbNxND3%2Bp9G%2BTliypxb0VyZyCyhFEoFbwWoTVZA42A%3D&reserved=0
> > > )"
> > > >
> > > > Summarized:
> > > > True conditional statement:
> > > > • If P then Q
> > > > Invalidly concluding its converse:
> > > > • Q
> > > > • Therefore P
> > > >
> > > > Tailored to the JIF:
> > > > True conditional statement:
> > > > • If it has high quality (P) then it has high repercussion (Q)
> > > > Invalidly concluding its converse:
> > > > • It has high repercussion (Q)
> > > > • Therefore it has high quality (P)
> > > >
> > > > Building up a scientific career on a logical fallacy may not seem a
> > > > paradox to many but it is to me. One can be a scientist or not, one
> > > > has to choose to be coherent or not. I do not see anything in
> between.
> > > > This JIF issue is inherently incoherent and if I cannot have an
> > > > academic career because I do not bow down to such incoherence, then
> so
> > > > be it. Personally, I will look down to anyone trying to evaluate my
> > > > research based on the JIF of the journals I have published in. I
> would
> > > > expect that those persons do not call themselves scientists, because
> > > they would not be acting like scientists.
> > > > Moreover, like many colleagues here, I am tired of this derogatory
> > > > metric, to which authors' work doesn't matter, reviewers' work
> doesn't
> > > > matter, just journal names matter. I cannot understand how the same
> > > > scientists that think they can convince Clarivate Analytics to give
> > > > back the JIF to Zootaxa also think that they cannot elaborate why
> this
> > > > metric should not be used and convince their own institutions. Or
> > > > maybe I can. It may well be that many "scientists" are willing to
> > profit
> > > from the JIF for the "academic advancement of scientists’
> > > > careers", regardless of the JIF being a fallacy.
> > > > I hope that they can look at the mirror and see themselves for what
> > > > they truly are.
> > > >
> > > > Kind regards,
> > > > Carlos
> > > >
> > > > Carlos A. Martínez Muñoz
> > > > Zoological Museum, Biodiversity Unit
> > > > FI-20014 University of Turku
> > > > Finland
> > > > Myriatrix
> > > > <
> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmyri
> > > > atrix.myspecies.info%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cagosti%40amnh.org
> %7C67b5694
> > > >
> dc5804015e4e108d821f1e62a%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C0%7C0%7
> > > >
> C637296670133047350&sdata=Lkoujx6OQ%2FEKzWBTO8I0vTIAFvZd2Hp1mmxuFC
> > > > 4nEDA%3D&reserved=0>
> > > > ResearchGate profile
> > > > <
> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww
> > > > .researchgate.net
> %2Fprofile%2FCarlos_Martinez-Munoz&data=02%7C01%7
> > > > Cagosti%40amnh.org
> %7C67b5694dc5804015e4e108d821f1e62a%7Cbe0003e8c6b949
> > > >
> 6883aeb34586974b76%7C0%7C0%7C637296670133047350&sdata=FQn%2BEdObYP
> > > > Ul0kjsjT6Dsi9CxwK%2FRqxoCQRUbNZTtXM%3D&reserved=0>
> > > > Myriapod Morphology and Evolution
> > > > <
> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww
> > > > .facebook.com
> %2Fgroups%2F205802113162102%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cagosti%
> > > > 40amnh.org
> %7C67b5694dc5804015e4e108d821f1e62a%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb3
> > > >
> 4586974b76%7C0%7C0%7C637296670133047350&sdata=NbGfGVRkK0d1hYsY7Xdh
> > > > 9ostvWnfkXy1YI6uzuCDwsA%3D&reserved=0>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > El lun., 6 jul. 2020 a las 16:45, Alfredo Vizzini
> > > > (<alfredo.vizzini at unito.it>)
> > > > escribió:
> > > >
> > > > > ... but we must not resign ourselves and fight against this stupid
> > > > > evaluation system
> > > > >
> > > > > Best
> > > > > Alfredo Vizzini
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fww
> > > > > w.researchgate.net
> %2Fprofile%2FAlfredo_Vizzini&data=02%7C01%7Cag
> > > > > osti%40amnh.org
> %7C67b5694dc5804015e4e108d821f1e62a%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496
> > > > >
> 883aeb34586974b76%7C0%7C0%7C637296670133047350&sdata=l%2FzzbtHSq
> > > > > e8v9Q1OZXAzQdKRcoNbSk3cCM8gT4mnjLw%3D&reserved=0
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >                    /--- Phylogeny
> > > > >                /---+
> > > > >                |   \---- of unknown
> > > > >          /-----+
> > > > >          |     \----- Fungal
> > > > >        --+
> > > > >          \------------- Diversity
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Il giorno lun 6 lug 2020 alle ore 16:19 Ivie, Michael via Taxacom <
> > > > > taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> ha scritto:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Carlos, this issue has nothing to do with science or logic, it is
> > > > >> purely the politics of academic advancement of scientists’
> careers.
> > > > >> We have to support that, no matter how unscientific or illogical
> > > > >> the mechanism (or even inappropriate) is.  I agree with your
> > > > >> points, but not your
> > > > conclusion.
> > > > >> Mike
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> __________________________________________________
> > > > >> Michael A. Ivie, Ph.D., F.R.E.S.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> NOTE: two addresses with different Zip Codes depending on carriers
> > > > >>
> > > > >> US Post Office Address:
> > > > >> Montana Entomology Collection
> > > > >> Marsh Labs, Room 50
> > > > >> PO Box 173145
> > > > >> Montana State University
> > > > >> Bozeman, MT 59717
> > > > >> USA
> > > > >>
> > > > >> UPS, FedEx, DHL Address:
> > > > >> Montana Entomology Collection
> > > > >> Marsh Labs, Room 50
> > > > >> 1911 West Lincoln Street
> > > > >> Montana State University
> > > > >> Bozeman, MT 59718
> > > > >> USA
> > > > >>
> > > > >> (406) 994-4610 (voice)
> > > > >> (406) 994-6029 (FAX)
> > > > >> mivie at montana.edu
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ________________________________
> > > > >> From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> on behalf of
> > > > >> Carlos Alberto Martínez Muñoz via Taxacom
> > > > >> <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> > > > >> Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 7:14 AM
> > > > >> To: Taxa com <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> > > > >> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Fwd: Zootaxa taken off of JCR
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Dear Taxacomers,
> > > > >> I don't care about the JIF or about Zootaxa not getting it
> anymore.
> > > > >> The JIF is unscientific as it is based on a logical fallacy. By
> not
> > > > >> getting it, Zootaxa has been released from its chains, even if
> > > > >> unwillingly. All the whining for having those chains back is
> > > > >> unscientific as well, and it evidences how poorly prepared our
> > > > >> community is in some topics of logic and scientific methodology.
> > > > >> Moreover, with so many free-to-publish and free-to-read platinum
> > > > >> open access journals out there, every page published in a
> paywalled
> > > > >> journal is a disservice to Taxonomy. This is 2020. We have the
> > > > >> means to be better and to do better.
> > > > >> Beyond that, I will not sign an "I support Zootaxa" letter but I
> > > > >> would sign a neutral statement such as "We have reviewed for
> > > > >> Zootaxa and we state that no misconduct related to journal
> > > > >> self-citations has been suggested or demanded from us...". I have
> > > > >> never published in Zootaxa, while I have written three manuscript
> > > > >> reviews (about 25
> > > > >> pages) within the last six months. So, if you think that a "no
> > > > >> journal self-citation misconduct"
> > > > >> neutral statement signed by reviewers can be of any use in getting
> > > > >> Zootaxa back to the IF fallacy, you can count with my signature.
> > > > >> Kind regards,
> > > > >> Carlos
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Carlos A. Martínez Muñoz
> > > > >> Zoological Museum, Biodiversity Unit
> > > > >> FI-20014 University of Turku
> > > > >> Finland
> > > > >> Myriatrix
> > > > >> <
> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fm
> > > > >> yriatrix.myspecies.info%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cagosti%40amnh.org
> %7C6
> > > > >>
> 7b5694dc5804015e4e108d821f1e62a%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%
> > > > >>
> 7C0%7C0%7C637296670133047350&sdata=Lkoujx6OQ%2FEKzWBTO8I0vTIAFv
> > > > >> Zd2Hp1mmxuFC4nEDA%3D&reserved=0>
> > > > >> ResearchGate profile
> > > > >> <
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