[Taxacom] Copyright

Thu May 10 19:02:08 CDT 2018

[re-sending to fix sender address]

I suspect that Paul was joking about copyright.

Hathi Trust’s web site is very clear that the material is in the public domain; they make no false claims of copyright. But if the Trust restricts access, it is within its rights to do. I cannot imagine why it would, though. Perhaps they are trying to save on ISP or hosting costs, or are just being mean.

Their mission statement as I read it says that they do what they do for the benefit of their ‘partners’, not for the public good.

I’ve never heard of “IP rights” before, but it could be a European thing. I seem to remember that in the US, simply making a digital copy of something does not constitute “creative expression” and therefore does not create any new copyright. Europe with its “sweat of the brow” philosophy could be different.

Jonathan

> On May 10, 2018, at 7:32 PM, Francisco Welter-Schultes <fwelter at gwdg.de> wrote:
> 
> In Germany copyright expells 70 years after the death of the author. For a publication from 1819 we should assume that the authors are slightly more than 70 years dead...
> 
> Note that the 1819 work as such is free. This means only that anyone can digitise it. Anyone who digitises a work has the IP rights for the digitised copy. They do not need to provide free access to it. If Google digitises old works, they seem to check if BHL, archive.org or anyone provides a free digitised version. If so, then Google offers free access. My observation is that if not, Google does not provide free access to such old works.
> 
> Cheers
> Francisco
> 
> -----
> Francisco Welter-Schultes
> 
> Am 10.05.2018 um 11:04 schrieb Paul Kirk:
>> Thanks Tony,
>> Google didn’t pick this up – not sure why – but your reply made my day :-)
>> Paul
>> From: Tony Rees <tonyrees49 at gmail.com>
>> Sent: 10 May 2018 10:01
>> To: Paul Kirk <P.Kirk at kew.org>
>> Cc: taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
>> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Copyright
>> Hi Paul, Have you tried BHL? they have vols 1-2 available, apparently.
>> https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/search?searchTerm=Annalen+der+Wetterauischen+Gesellschaft+fu%CC%88r+die+gesammte+Naturkunde#/titles<https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.biodiversitylibrary.org%2Fsearch%3FsearchTerm%3DAnnalen%2Bder%2BWetterauischen%2BGesellschaft%2Bfu%25CC%2588r%2Bdie%2Bgesammte%2BNaturkunde%23%2Ftitles&data=02%7C01%7CP.Kirk%40kew.org%7C9fc8683218504118833408d5b6547f02%7C44892b45194046119753a4b3be4ea7fe%7C0%7C0%7C636615396422106638&sdata=1YAyGZpoUW2PIVIBLJX5%2FFKS%2BZyEBg6dOx3I3AcnVNo%3D&reserved=0>
>> Regards - Tony
>> Tony Rees, New South Wales, Australia
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>> On 10 May 2018 at 18:51, Paul Kirk <P.Kirk at kew.org<mailto:P.Kirk at kew.org>> wrote:
>> Can someone explain why a serial publication published in Germany 200 years ago is still subject to copyright and not available to anyone outside the USA [unless one has a proxy server :-)]?
>> https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008607407<https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcatalog.hathitrust.org%2FRecord%2F008607407&data=02%7C01%7CP.Kirk%40kew.org%7C9fc8683218504118833408d5b6547f02%7C44892b45194046119753a4b3be4ea7fe%7C0%7C0%7C636615396422106638&sdata=sljRNe3NFz2%2BGXDd%2FJXi86xDgpu0F7ZI31Um8oweQaM%3D&reserved=0>
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