[Taxacom] Opinion 2027 [ was Canis [familiaris] dingo Blumenbach ]

Wed May 9 06:13:29 CDT 2018

Dear Francisco,

Thank you: this does help!

Just to be clear, this also means that if Aurochses,
cattle and zebu's are treated as three subspecies
of the same species, they are to be called:
- Bos primigenius primigenius,
- Bos primigenius taurus,
- Bos primigenius indicus

Right?

Thank you,

Paul

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Francisco Welter-Schultes" <fwelter at gwdg.de>
To: <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Opinion 2027 [ was Canis [familiaris] dingo
Blumenbach ]

> The explanation of that ruling in Opinion 2027 is slightly sophisticated,
> and the Commission is aware of that, but in this case it is not
> problematic to select the correct names, depending on the individual
> situation.
>
> Canis lupus L 1758 is the name of the wild form of the species. Opinion
> 2027 makes sure that the wild form shall carry the name of the wild
> species, not of an eventually earlier established name for a domesticated
> form. So the wolf's name shall in any case be Canis lupus. It is not
> admissible to use Canis familiaris L 1758 for the wolf, even if the First
> Reviser gave precedence to C. familiaris over C. lupus (which I do not kow
> off hand).
>
> The dingo is considered a domesticated form of Canis lupus, many years ago
> released or escaped to the wild again.
> I am not exactly up to date on the taxonomic issues. Those authors who
> consider the dingo a wild species, not conspecific with the wolf, would
> call that species Canis dingo. I do not know if there are such authors.
>
> Those authors who consider the dingo a special race of the dog and would
> like to use the name for the dog Canis familiaris L 1758, can call this
> form Canis familiaris, or Canis familiaris dingo. Those who consider the
> dingo being a dog but so much different that it would be some kind of an
> independently evolved dog for which an independent name would be justified
> or needed, would call this independently domesticated form Canis dingo, as
> opposed to the other dogs Canis familiaris.
>
> Those who like to talk in a scientific environment about dogs and dingos
> and wolves as one species, will have to use the specific name Canis lupus
> for the species (following Op. 2027), and if they consider the dog and the
> dingo as subspecies, call those subspecies Canis lupus familiaris and, if
> they consider the dingo an independent subspecies not consubspecific with
> the dog, Canis lupus dingo. For the latter authors or users Op. 2027 does
> not come into play, because Canis lupus is the senior name anyway and does
> not compete with Canis dingo.
>
> Horses or dogs that escaped and live in the wild are usually called feral
> domesticated species, not wild species in the sense of Op. 2027. The dingo
> would not be called a wild species in this sense.
>
> If this helps.
>
> Cheers
> Francisco
>
> -----
> Francisco Welter-Schultes
>
> Am 09.05.2018 um 10:20 schrieb Paul van Rijckevorsel:
>> OK, in the absense of anybody supporting
>> my interpretation of Opinion 2027, is there
>> anybody who would like to share his (other)
>> interpretation of this ruling?
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul van Rijckevorsel"
>> <dipteryx at freeler.nl>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2018 12:46 PM
>>
>>> Thanks Tony, but they already know.
>>>
>>> Their problem is that they allow themselves to be
>>> confused by the "ruled under the plenary power
>>> to be not invalid by reason of being pre-dated by
>>> a name based on a domestic form" which is indeed
>>> a double negative that is awkward to read, rather
>>> than going by the more readable:
>>> "The names listed in the ruling above, which are
>>> the first available names in use based on wild
>>> populations, apply to wild species and include
>>> those for their domestic derivatives if these are
>>> not distinguishable." (p83)
>>>
>>> So what is immediately needed is a nomenclaturalist,
>>> or two, or three, who state support for the obvious
>>> explanation of the ruling.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony Rees
>>> To: Paul van Rijckevorsel
>>> Cc: taxacom
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2018 9:15 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Canis [familiaris] dingo Blumenbach - a
>>> non-existentname?
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Paul, I have alerted ITIS to your message as below and hopefully
>>> you or I will get an appropriate response from them shortly.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards - Tony
>>>
>>>
>>> Tony Rees, New South Wales, Australia
>>> https://about.me/TonyRees
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8 May 2018 at 15:44, Paul van Rijckevorsel <dipteryx at freeler.nl>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Rees" <tonyrees49 at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2018 12:15 AM
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe to some this will seem a lot of effort to clean up one name but
>>> in
>>> this case the error was propagated widely and picked up in other
>>> sources
>>> including several Wikipedia articles and Wikispecies, whom I will
>>> contact,
>>> as well as elsewhere no doubt.
>>>
>>>
>>> ***
>>> Yes, it is nice to be able to eliminate errors.
>>>
>>> This brings to mind that ITIS still uses several names that
>>> have been 'outlawed' by Opinion 2027 (2003). This is
>>> based on an error in Mammal Species of the World (2005),
>>> an error for which the surviving author has since apologized.
>>> It concerns names for very well-known animals:
>>> Bos primigenius (not 'Bos taurus primigenius')
>>> Bos gaurus (not 'Bos frontalis gaurus')
>>> Bos mutus (not 'Bos grunniens mutus')
>>> Bubalus arnee (not 'Bubalus bubalus arnee')
>>> Camelus ferus (not 'Camelus bactrianus ferus')
>>> Capra aegagrus (not 'Capra hircus aegagrus')
>>> Lama guanicoe (not 'Lama glama guanicoe')
>>> Ovis orientalis (not 'Ovis aries orientalis')
>>>
>>> [The first name as allowed / protected by Opinion 2027.
>>> The names in parentheses as used by ITIS and disallowed
>>> by Opinion 2027, with the other subspecies also named
>>> wrong.
>>>
>>> Treating taxa at the level of subspecies, Bos primigenius
>>> primigenius, Bos primigenius taurus, Bos primigenius indicus
>>> are nomenclaturally correct options for three related taxa.]
>>>
>>> Something wrong with the silkworm, as well.
>>>
>>> It has now been fifteen years since Opinion 2027 was published
>>> https://biodiversitylibrary.org/page/34357823
>>> so cleaning up these names in ITIS is well overdue.
>>>
>>> Can somebody please help?
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> [There have been earlier efforts]
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