[Taxacom] unflagged classification change question
Francisco Welter-Schultes
fwelter at gwdg.de
Tue Jun 12 10:46:55 CDT 2018
This is the difference between taxonomy and nomenclature. Placing a
specific name in whichever genus is taxonomy and has no nomenclatural
relevance in zoology. In botany this is different, as Stephen said. Most
people don't know that, but this does not change it.
Cheers
Francisco
Am 12.06.2018 um 15:30 schrieb Paul Kirk:
> Francisco, are you saying that a change in name is not 'nomenclaturally relevant information'? If so, I would respectfully suggest that most individuals of the species Homo sapiens would disagree with this.
>
> Regards,
>
> Paul
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> On Behalf Of Francisco Welter-Schultes
> Sent: 12 June 2018 14:26
> To: Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>; taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] unflagged classification change question
>
> It depends. If Smith published a well elaborated taxonomic work with high impact then Option C "ignoring" is a bad option.
> As Mike said, authors of papers dealing with ecology, conservation or economy are often not up to date with current trends in taxonomy. Helix aspersa is mostly classified in the genus Helix, in hundreds of publications each year, though most taxonomists have since long preferred to place it in the genus Cornu. If I place aspersa in the genus Cornu in a taxonomic work I do not need to justify that, and I can ignore that 100 molecular genetical publications of high impact journals in the last two weeks have called this species Helix aspersa. If I select Helix as its current genus in a taxonomic work I should explain and justify my choice.
>
> Zoology is not botany. The criteria of publication apply only to nomenclaturally relevant information. Anything that contains only taxonomically relevant information does not need to be published in the sense of the ICZN Code. The unpublished works (internet pages, web interfaces of online databases etc.) however must also follow the rules of forming and citing the zoological names.
>
> Cheers
> Francisco
>
> Am 12.06.2018 um 02:34 schrieb Stephen Thorpe:
>> Francisco said: Option C is also an option
>>
>> "An option", certainly, but a bad one! By ignoring and not citing Smith, it looks like you have overlooked Smith's publication! Some people will think (erroneously, but nevertheless) that you have overlooked the "fact" that the "species" has been reinstated from synonymy! As a general rule, always cite anything that you disagree with!
>>
>> The issue in zoology with combinations and synonyms is messy, compared with botany. I now much prefer the approach in botany. In botany, combinations and synonymies are formal nomenclatural acts which must be published according to the botanical code. It still doesn't mean that such acts have to be followed, but it makes it a lot easier to keep track of the different published options.
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>> --------------------------------------------
>> On Tue, 12/6/18, Francisco Welter-Schultes <fwelter at gwdg.de> wrote:
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] unflagged classification change question
>> To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>> Received: Tuesday, 12 June, 2018, 12:26 PM
>>
>> Option C is also an option. Your
>> reaction should depend on the
>> particular
>> significance and impact of Smith's publication.
>> I find myself in agreement with Mike and
>> Stephen.
>>
>> Being classified
>> as a junior synonym of another name is not an official
>> status that a name has. Every classification is
>> always a subjective
>> judgement. Terms like
>> "new synonym" or "new combination" may
>> erroneously
>> suggest that we are dealing
>> with an official act. To avoid such
>> misunderstandings I usually do not recommend
>> employing such terms at
>> all. They are not
>> necessary and have the effect of blurring the
>> difference between nomenclature and
>> taxonomy.
>> If I place Canis lupus in the
>> genus Homo this will produce a name Homo
>> lupus. I do not know if somebody did that
>> before, published, unpublished
>> in a museum
>> catalog, or in the internet. Taxonomic treatments do not
>> need to be published. So actually I would not
>> be able to say for sure
>> that my idea was
>> new.
>>
>> Francisco
>>
>>
>> -----
>> Francisco Welter-Schultes
>>
>> Am 11.06.2018 um 23:06 schrieb Stephen
>> Thorpe:
>> > Hi Derek,
>> >
>> I'm deliberately answering your question before reading
>> the replies by others, so as to give you an independent
>> response.
>> > The obvious answer to your
>> question is simply to explain the situation in the
>> publication as you explained it in the Taxacom post and just
>> say that you consider the synonymy to be correct, so, in the
>> absence of any explanation by Smith for treating it again as
>> a valid species, you are continuing to treat it as a
>> synonym. Note that synonymy isn't a formal nomenclatural
>> act in zoology, so there is no sense in which Smith
>> "has made it a valid species again". It is simply
>> a valid species in his opinion, and although everyone is
>> entitled to their opinion, nobody is obliged to follow.
>> > I hope this helps (and I apologise in
>> advance for any repetition of what others may have
>> replied),
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> Stephen
>> >
>> >
>> --------------------------------------------
>> > On Tue, 12/6/18, Derek Sikes <dssikes at alaska.edu>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> Subject: [Taxacom] unflagged classification change
>> question
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>> > Received: Tuesday, 12 June, 2018, 6:52
>> AM
>> >
>> > All,
>> >
>> > For those of
>> you who keep track of one
>> > or more
>> taxonomic classifications on
>> > which
>> you are an authority...
>> >
>> > I'd like to know how you'd
>> react to the
>> > following (all
>> too-realistic)
>> > hypothetical
>> scenario:
>> >
>> >
>> *You find a publication by Smith in
>> >
>> which a species name that you feel had
>> > been justifiably made a junior
>> synonym
>> > some years earlier, was
>> treated as a
>> > valid species with no
>> explanation for
>> > the change. *
>> >
>> > In the next
>> publication you produce on
>> > the group
>> do you:
>> >
>> > A)
>> list it as a valid species citing
>> >
>> Smith's publication
>> >
>> > B) re-synonymize it, cite Smith, and
>> > explain that there was no evidence
>> > offered by Smith for the change
>> >
>> > C) ignore
>> (don't cite) Smith and list
>> > it
>> as a junior synonym
>> >
>> > D) something else? (& for this
>> > hypothetical, imagine Smith recently
>> died)
>> >
>> >
>> Thanks,
>> > Derek
>> >
>>
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