[Taxacom] A Cladist is a systematist who seeks a natural classification

Stephen Thorpe stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
Sat Apr 7 16:03:40 CDT 2018


Ken said: "there is no problem with cladistic analysis as an hypothesis generator"

Actually, I think that there is a problem. A method for generating hypotheses does just that, i.e. generates hypotheses, and nothing more. Now, it doesn't actually matter where a hypothesis comes from (i.e. it doesn't matter how it is generated). The (only) value of any hypothesis lies in subsequent testing. Therefore, what advantage does cladistics/phylogenetic analysis have over any other method for generating hypothesis, such as "taxonomic intuition"?

Stephen

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On Sun, 8/4/18, Kenneth Kinman <kinman at hotmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Taxacom] A Cladist is a systematist who seeks a	natural	classification
 To: "taxacom" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>, "Stephen Thorpe" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
 Received: Sunday, 8 April, 2018, 1:23 AM
 
 
 
 Hi all,
        There is
 no problem with cladistic analysis as an hypothesis
 generator.  The problem is that phylogenetic systematists
 only formally recognize taxa which are clades.  By
 branding paraphyletic taxa as unnatural
  and refusing to recognize any of them, they often fail to
 put in the added work of incorporating divergence
 information into their classifications when it would make
 them more stable and usable (as advocated by Mayr, Ashlock,
 Cavalier-Smith, and other evolutionary
  systematists).  
 
 
 
       This is
 especially true of higher taxa (families to kingdoms).  It
 is therefore no surprise that it is at the level of
 Kingdoms, Phyla, and Classes that the debate between
 evolutionary systematists and phylogenetic
  systematists is most heated.  Phylogenetic systematists
 have too often generated instability at those levels, and
 thus severely affecting usability.  
 
 
 
        That is
 why Ernst Mayr called them cladifications (not
 classifications).  At the level of species and genera,
 cladifications often turn out to be good classifications,
 but the same is too often not true at higher
  taxonomic levels.  The worst case is the Three Domain
 cladification which was (and continues to be) horribly
 simplistic.  It is people like Cavalier-Smith who is
 putting in the hard work of attempting to construct more
 natural, stable, and usable classifications.  
            
            --------------Ken
 
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Taxacom
 <taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> on behalf of
 Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
 
 Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2018 1:01 AM
 
 To: taxacom; John Grehan
 
 Subject: Re: [Taxacom] A Cladist is a systematist who
 seeks a natural classification
  
 
 
 The issue
 that I still haven't been able to get a clear answer to
 is whether cladistics is just a way of generating hypotheses
 for future testing (which, as we all know, is ongoing and
 never conclusive), or whether it somehow generates
  something which can be more or less thought of as a
 "fact", i.e. something which is at least more
 likely to be "true" than not. My own suspicion is
 the former, i.e. just a hypothesis generator, based on
 various assumptions (such a s parsimony) and given values
  of certain variables (weightings, etc.) which may
 themselves be quite subjective.
 
 
 
 Stephen
 
 
 
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 On Sat, 7/4/18, John Grehan <calabar.john at gmail.com>
 wrote:
 
 
 
  Subject: [Taxacom] A Cladist is a systematist who seeks a
 natural       classification
 
  To: "taxacom"
 <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
 
  Received: Saturday, 7 April, 2018, 6:10 PM
 
  
 
  Since there are at various times some strong
 
  opinions on cladistics and on
 
  natural classification I have pasted
 
  below the text of a recent article
 
  that might be of interest to some (some
 
  typos may have crept in during the
 
  copy/paste).
 
  
 
  Biol Philos (2018) 33:10
 
  https://doi.org/10.1007/s10539-018-9621-7
 
  
 
  David M. Williams & Malte C. Ebach
 
  
 
  A Cladist is a systematist who seeks a
 
  natural classifcation: some comments
 
  on Quinn (2017)
 
  
 
  Abstract. In response to Quinn (Biol
 
  Philos, 2017.
 
  https://doi.org/10.1007/s1053
 
  9-017-9577-z) we identify cladistics to
 
  be about natural classifications
 
  and their
 
  discovery and thereby propose to add an
 
  eighth cladistic defnition to
 
  Quinn’s list,
 
  namely the systematist who seeks to
 
  discover natural classifications,
 
  regardless of their affiliation,
 
  theoretical or methodological
 
  justifications.
 
  
 
  Derived from various permutations of
 
  phylogeny, biology, philosophy,
 
  methodology, sociology, loyalty etc.,
 
  Aleta Quinn recently proposed “seven
 
  specific definitions that capture
 
  distinct contemporary uses” of cladistics
 
  (Quinn 2017, p. 1). Our own efforts,
 
  based on the same criteria, yielded a
 
  further seven, which we do not intend
 
  to bore our readers with here. We are
 
  sure more could be found and more
 
  people could be found who
 
  subscribe/correspond to them. Suffice
 
  to say, one might find definitions
 
  for anything—and in any case, Quinn
 
  was clear about her motives:“I do not
 
  intend to classify individuals, ideas,
 
  or research programs. Rather, I
 
  clarify distinct things that speakers
 
  mean by the term ‘cladist’” (Quinn
 
  2017, p. 1). Depending on one’s
 
  outlook—philosopher, historian, biologist,
 
  even sociologist (Hull 1988)—the
 
  definitions might help progress their
 
  subject. As biologists, we found much
 
  to think about but rather than
 
  dissecting the minutiae, we seek to
 
  clarify by attempting to simplify.
 
  We need first to dispense with one
 
  misconception. Quinn draws upon a
 
  commonly preconceived notion, namely
 
  that systematics requires evolution as
 
  a prior condition:1
 
  
 
  “What that theoretical foundation may
 
  have been [in reference to de
 
  Candolle’s
 
  view on characters] is not relevant to
 
  my points about contemporary
 
  systematics,
 
  whose conceptual framework presupposes
 
  the concept of evolution” (Quinn
 
  2017, footnote 11).
 
  
 
  Consider the concept of a cladogram,
 
  which everyone might agree is a
 
  branching diagram commonly included as
 
  part of the results of a cladistic
 
  analysis. One might derive from this
 
  diagram which taxon is more closely
 
  related to itself than to any other.
 
  One might explain this relationship by
 
  common descent. The cladogram, however,
 
  need not be constructed with any
 
  evolutionary assumptions in mind;
 
  rather, the evolutionary assumptions
 
  serve to explain why one taxon is more
 
  closely related to itself than any
 
  other.
 
  
 
  The search for a natural classifcation
 
  was established prior to the
 
  adoption of
 
  any theory of evolution. In fact
 
  Augustin P. de Candolle’s had a great deal
 
  to say
 
  on the matter, especially the
 
  differences between natural and artificial
 
  classifications (Candolle 1913). But de
 
  Candolle was working some time ago,
 
  so what, if anything, might be his
 
  relevance today? Methods of systematics
 
  change as time passes. But all methods
 
  fnd cladograms, in the sense that
 
  the results yield sets of
 
  relationships, either as a branching diagram or
 
  as a written classification. Regardless
 
  of method, which of these
 
  relationships might be considered to
 
  reflect something that actually
 
  exists, rather than a product (an
 
  artefact) of the method? How can any
 
  method achieve that without knowing the
 
  answer beforehand? Obviously it
 
  can’t. One might play around with
 
  simulation studies to judge the
 
  performance of any suite of methods, or
 
  one might delve into philosophy to
 
  create justification, but in the court
 
  of last resort all that remains are
 
  sets of cladograms that either agree or
 
  disagree to a greater or lesser
 
  extent in terms of common relationships
 
  found. That is, they agree in the
 
  cladistic parameter, the relationships
 
  specified—that the signal to noise
 
  ratio is working in our favour, as is
 
  evident from classifications of the
 
  past. Here we might argue that natural
 
  classification is the result derived
 
  from several cladograms, regardless as
 
  to how they were arrived at;
 
  artificial classifications are derived
 
  from a specific method, be that
 
  Wagner parsimony, UPGMA, maximum
 
  likelihood and so on, or from a specific
 
  source  of data (DNA,
 
  ultrastructure, etc.), and so on. Why are these
 
  artificial? Because a method, any
 
  method, assumes the results that are
 
  required (the shortest tree; or the
 
  most similar taxa grouped together; or
 
  the most similar taxa grouped together
 
  via a weighted model of character
 
  change, etc.); for a data source, they
 
  assume those data are privileged
 
  over other data (DNA must be the source
 
  of ‘true’ relationships, etc.).
 
  Cladistics, in its most general sense,
 
  does not associate with any one
 
  method, or any one data source. It
 
  applies to sets of relationships—it is
 
  the set of relationships. This is
 
  effectively what de Candolle argued for,
 
  and has been the basis of systematics
 
  for decades, if not centuries:
 
  
 
  “For the last 50  years and
 
  more—even now continuing into the realm of
 
  nomenclature—in the name of the
 
  modern and the new, Visionaries aim, as
 
  it were, to confine the past to a
 
  dustbin of history, and to bolt and lock
 
  the
 
  lid upon it. As if without it, we be in
 
  some way better, even born again
 
  more
 
  whole-some; as if Carl Linnaeus really
 
  were among the last of the Ancients,
 
  and not, rightly, the first of the
 
  moderns, and so related to us—of a group
 
  inclusive of us” (Annual Review of
 
  the Linnean Society, 2001).
 
  
 
  These words, not readily accessible,
 
  were spoken by Gareth Nelson after
 
  receiving the Linnean Gold Medal and
 
  re-cast above as part of the 2001
 
  Annual Review of the Linnean Society,
 
  London. Linnaeus as the first of the
 
  moderns? Among other matters, Linnaeus
 
  spoke of the differences between
 
  artificial and natural classification,
 
  a subject taken up and developed by
 
  de Candolle (1913). One might cast that
 
  debate in very simple terms:
 
  artificial classifications are found by
 
  imposition, natural classification
 
  is discovered. Imposition implies some
 
  method or motivation to erect a
 
  particular classification, such as a
 
  field guide or handbook for
 
  identifying specimens—today it is
 
  more likely those would be websites, or
 
  online interactive guides. There is
 
  nothing wrong with artificial
 
  classifications. We both use them all
 
  the time, almost every day (
 
  https://www.trilobites.info/;
 
  http://naturalhistory.museumwales.ac.uk/diatoms/).
 But
 
  whatever merits they
 
  have, and there are many, they
 
  are created by acts of imposition. We
 
  ask our readers, then, if they would
 
  consider analysis of some data with one
 
  or another statistical program, or
 
  with one or another parsimony program,
 
  or with one or another phenetic
 
  program, whether this is an act of
 
  imposition or an act of discovery? We
 
  see it as an act of imposition. How
 
  could it be otherwise? Cladistics,
 
  then, is about discovery, about finding
 
  repeating patterns,finding the same
 
  relationships, finding relationships
 
  that are not method dependent, finding
 
  relationships that are reflections of
 
  the world as it is:
 
  
 
  “What, then, of cladistics in
 
  relation to the history of systematics? If
 
  cladistics
 
  is merely a restatement of the
 
  principles of natural classifcation, why has
 
  cladistics been the subject of
 
  argument? I suspect that the argument is
 
  largely
 
  misplaced, and that the misplacement
 
  stems, as de Candolle suggests, from
 
  confounding the goals of artifcial and
 
  natural systems” (Nelson 1979, p.
 
  20).
 
  
 
  
 
  For us, cladistics is about natural
 
  classifcations and their discovery, an
 
  activity
 
  that occurs with or without
 
  “knowledge of process”. Look in museums,
 
  herbaria,
 
  universities and other institutions
 
  that still hire systematists and you
 
  will see:
 
  
 
  Cladist (viii): A cladist is a
 
  systematist who seeks to discover natural
 
  classifications.
 
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