[Taxacom] Another request for help with a name

[Mary Barkworth]

Thank you for finding all those links, clarifying the authorship, and raising questions about the Pretoria images. I am trying not to go down yet another rabbit hole but if anyone knows of a key to the genus, I would love to have a copy. A copy with permission to post to KeyBase (http://keybase.rbg.vic.gov.au/dev/) would be even more wonderful. According to Catalogue of Life there are only 12 species but the list does not include L. melanurus. Perhaps it is much larger.  Is anyone working on the genus?  They are rather pretty. 

Mary

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From: Taxacom [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Francisco Welter-Schultes
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Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Another request for help with a name

Lycus melanurus Schönherr, 1817. The original description is this one:

https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/133008#page/84/mode/1up
Type locality Sierra Leone.

Referred to description here:
https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/216050#page/554/mode/1up

Description was attributed to Dalman, name was not attributed to Dalman, so under Art. 50.1.1. the authorship for the name must be attributed to Schönherr alone.
ö is correct, oe is for those who cannot create the ö.

Figures were published here (Fig. 7):
https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/216050#page/793/mode/1up

Seems to suggest to me that in the case of the Pretoria beetle we are not dealing with melanurus, but with a different species. The beetle from Sierra Leone seems more slender. The structure at the proximal section of the elytra seems different. Just some thoughts, I am no Coleoptera expert.

Other specimens from Mozambique look like the Pretoria specimen:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Lycus_melanurus


If this helps.
Cheers
Francisco

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Francisco Welter-Schultes

Am 09.10.2017 um 12:20 schrieb Mary Barkworth:
> Yes it is.  Neal Evenhuis sent the same reference - but I only just 
> spotted the "No recent references" which helps. It suggests that the 
> name should be added to the GBIF backbone (and CoL etc.). My concern 
> is just SCAN,  (http://symbiota4.acis.ufl.edu/scan/portal/index.php)
> 
> What would be the normal form of citation, Dalman, 1817 or Dalman in Schoenherr, 1817 or Dalman in C. J. Schoenherr, 1817?
> 
> Mary
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> Michael Schmitt
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> Does this help: http://www.organismnames.com/details.htm?lsid=4866508 ?
> 
> Best wishes
> Michael
> 
> Am 09.10.2017 um 11:25 schrieb Mary Barkworth:
>> This is named in iNaturalist at Lycus melanurus but I cannot find that name in GIBF, Catalogue of Life, ITIS, or Species 2000. There is an image of the creature at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lycus_melanurus,_bosy,_Pretoria.jpg and https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lycus_melanurus,_ondersy,_Pretoria.jpg. I am wanting to add the author of the name to the taxonomic backbone of SCAN. A google search sees it listed as Hook-winged Net-winged Beetle<https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/477080-Lycus-melanurus> but the only references to it take me back to the iNaturalist record. BHL suggests that the author is Dalman, 1817 but, in other works, it seems to be treated as a synonym of Strangalia melanura L.  Please, if someone out there knows these creatures, would you tell me whether a) Dalman, 1817 is the author and b) whether that is the currently accepted name or is it (and possibly others) now under some other genus?   If there is a paper that treats the group, I would be delighted to hear of it - and share information about it with others.
>> Mary
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