[Taxacom] Help with Hycleus oculatus please

[Tony Rees]

So Francisco (or anyone else), how is your latin? Does the original
description of Meloe oculatus Thunberg correspond with the look of the CMR
beetle e.g. as illustrated on this page
http://www.biodiversityexplorer.org/beetles/meloidae/meloinae.htm ? The
name I gather comes from the distinctive yellow and black bands as per the
Cape Mounted Rifles uniform, see here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Mounted_Riflemen (they even adopted the
beetle as their emblem for that reason!)

Regards - Tony

Tony Rees, New South Wales, Australia
https://about.me/TonyRees

On 8 October 2017 at 10:14, Francisco Welter-Schultes <fwelter at gwdg.de>
wrote:

> Original description of Meloe oculatus Thunberg, 1791 see here:
> https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/45277#page/14/mode/1up
>
> If this helps.
> Cheers
> Francisco
>
>
> ------
> Francisco Welter-Schultes
>
>
> Am 08.10.2017 um 00:27 schrieb Tony Rees:
>
>> RE (1) above: according to Muller, S. and Rookmaaker, L.C: The South
>> African Insects Described by Carl Peter Thunberg (1991:
>> www.rhinoresourcecenter.com/pdf_files/117/1175858015.pdf) Thunberg's
>> Mylabris oculata of 1821 was based on his own Meloe oculatus of 1791. So
>> those two taxa would appear to be the same, also as Hycleus oculatus,
>> however preferably you should get an expert to confirm this.
>>
>> Regards - Tony
>>
>> Tony Rees, New South Wales, Australia
>> https://about.me/TonyRees
>>
>> On 8 October 2017 at 07:06, Tony Rees <tonyrees49 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mary,
>>>
>>> First a disclaimer: I am not a beetle specialist, however this is the
>>> information I have been able to piece together regarding your query:
>>>
>>> 1. Hycleus oculatus is cited with the authority (Thunberg, 1791), and
>>> appears to be based on the species previously called Mylabris oculata
>>> Thunberg, 1791. If you search Google Scholar for the latter name you will
>>> find some references. It is also given as the "Cape Mounted Rifles bean
>>> beetle" or "CMR beetle". You can also search for Hycleus oculatus in ION
>>> which leads to the page http://www.organismnames.
>>> com/details.htm?lsid=1481855 from which a search of Zoological Record is
>>> available if you have access to that.
>>>
>>> In Hallan's list there is a species listed as accepted named Mylabris
>>> oculata (Thunberg, 1791) which seems to be based on Meloe oculata
>>> Thunberg,
>>> 1791. At the moment I cannot tell whether or not this is the same as the
>>> above taxon.
>>>
>>> 2. Hycleus ocellata seems to be different, although this name does not
>>> appear in either ION or GNI. It appears to be based on the name Cerocoma
>>> ocellata Olivier, 1791 (data source is Joel Hallan's Biology Catalog
>>> although the relevant page does not seem to be accessible at the moment).
>>> C. ocellata was the basis for the genus Dices Dejean, 1821 but that
>>> genus  is listed in Fauna Europaea as a synonym of Hycleus.
>>>
>>> Probably others can comment further,
>>>
>>> Best regards - Tony
>>>
>>> Tony Rees, New South Wales, Australia
>>> https://about.me/TonyRees
>>>
>>> On 8 October 2017 at 01:42, Mary Barkworth <Mary.Barkworth at usu.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Inaturalist has it as CMR Bean Beetle (Hycleus oculatus). There is a
>>>> record of it from Botswana but I cannot find the author (desirable for
>>>> Symbiota). Could someone tell me who it is please - using Zoological
>>>> citation style please.  Is it a synonym of Hycleus ocellata (Olivier,
>>>> 1791)<
>>>> https://www.gbif.org/species/6955485>?  Or is that simply a fuzzy
>>>> match?
>>>> CoL does not include the genus even.
>>>> Mary
>>>>
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