[Taxacom] taxonomic "vandalism?"

Thu Oct 5 19:20:59 CDT 2017

I suppose it is, but still, the result may be that the species is named 
before the "legitimate" author gets to it, so the result is the "vandal" 
has the valid name.  Seems like a less-than-smart thing to do?

Other points, it would not in fact be any form of plagiarism, a 
description would have to be written, and since the original paper has 
no description, it would not be plagiarism.

Any worker is a "fringe" element, are we not all independent at some level?

Blaming the Code is equivalent to blaming the victim.  The Code is 
equally available to both the "victim" and the "vandal."  It is neutral 
and blameless.

  Mike

On 10/5/2017 6:08 PM, Wolfgang Wuster wrote:
>
> Isn't this a clear example of victim-blaming?
>
>
> I wouldn't personally do what those authors did, for the reasons you 
> mention. However, I am not comfortable with the idea 
> that communication of our science should be shaped by fear of blatant 
> plagiarism by fringe elements that is then legitimised by the Code...
>
>
> Wolfgang
>
>
> -- 
> Dr. Wolfgang Wüster  -  Senior Lecturer
> School of Biological Sciences
> Bangor University
> Environment Centre Wales
> Bangor LL57  2UW
> Wales, UK
>
> Tel: +44 1248 382301
> Fax: +44 1248 382569
> E-mail: w.wuster at bangor.ac.uk
> http://mefgl.bangor.ac.uk/staff/wuster.php
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Taxacom <taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> on behalf of 
> Michael A. Ivie <mivie at montana.edu>
> *Sent:* 06 October 2017 00:25
> *To:* Taxacom List
> *Subject:* [Taxacom] taxonomic "vandalism?"
> We hear massive diatribes about an Australian herpetologist naming
> species that others are wanting to name.  However, the common thread is
> that this is made possible by people releasing data that allow these
> descriptions before they actually do the work of describing the
> species.  There is a perfect example of this today, in the news release at
>
> <https://www.newscientist.com/article/2149587-we-just-found-nineteen-new-species-of-gecko-in-one-tiny-area/?campaign_id=RSS%7CNSNS%7C2017-GLOBAL-AppleFeedex&utm_campaign=AppleFeedex&utm_medium=RSS&utm_source=NSNS&utm_term=Autofeed> 
>
> <https://www.newscientist.com/article/2149587-we-just-found-nineteen-new-species-of-gecko-in-one-tiny-area/?campaign_id=RSS%7CNSNS%7C2017-GLOBAL-AppleFeedex&utm_campaign=AppleFeedex&utm_medium=RSS&utm_source=NSNS&utm_term=Autofeed>
> 	
> We just found nineteen new species of gecko in one tiny area 
> <https://www.newscientist.com/article/2149587-we-just-found-nineteen-new-species-of-gecko-in-one-tiny-area/?campaign_id=RSS%7CNSNS%7C2017-GLOBAL-AppleFeedex&utm_campaign=AppleFeedex&utm_medium=RSS&utm_source=NSNS&utm_term=Autofeed>
> www.newscientist.com
> The discovery of so many closely-related vertebrate species within 
> such a small area is unprecedented
>
>
>
>
> In this piece there are beautiful photos of four new species of geckos
> who are identified as such, with a locality and no descriptions.  At the
> bottom of the story it says "The formal descriptions will appear intwo
> papers being published over the coming weeks
> <http://www.fauna-flora.org/news/fifteen-new-gecko-species-discovered-in-myanmar/>. 
> <http://www.fauna-flora.org/news/fifteen-new-gecko-species-discovered-in-myanmar/%3E.>" 
>
> I assume that someone who publishes his own journal could do it faster
> than that?
>
> Is it not simply hubris to put out such a story before the species are
> formally described?  And, if they do that and then get scooped, knowing
> there are people (or person) out there alleged to do such things, can
> they be outraged if it happens?
>
> Mike
>
> -- 
> __________________________________________________
>
> Michael A. Ivie, Ph.D., F.R.E.S.
>
> NOTE: two addresses with different Zip Codes depending on carriers
>
> US Post Office Address:
> Montana Entomology Collection
> Marsh Labs, Room 50
> PO Box 173145
> Montana State University
> Bozeman, MT 59717
> USA
>
> UPS, FedEx, DHL Address:
> Montana Entomology Collection
> Marsh Labs, Room 50
> 1911 West Lincoln Street
> Montana State University
> Bozeman, MT 59718
> USA
>
>
> (406) 994-4610 (voice)
> (406) 994-6029 (FAX)
> mivie at montana.edu
>
> _______________________________________________
> Taxacom Mailing List
> Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu,
> http://mailman.nhm.ku.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/taxacom
> Taxacom Info Page - mailman.nhm.ku.edu Mailing Lists 
> <http://mailman.nhm.ku.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/taxacom>
> mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> Taxacom is an e-mail list for biological systematics. Named and 
> brought to life by Drs. Richard Zander and Patricia Eckel, Taxacom 
> began its peripatetic existence on ...
>
>
>
> The Taxacom Archive back to 1992 may be searched at: 
> http://taxacom.markmail.org <http://taxacom.markmail.org>
> <http://taxacom.markmail.org/>
> 	
> Taxacom Home - MarkMail - Community libraries 
> <http://taxacom.markmail.org/>
> taxacom.markmail.org
> MarkMail is developed and hosted by MarkLogic Corporation. MarkMail is 
> a free service for searching mailing list archives, with huge 
> advantages over traditional ...
>
>
>
>
> Send Taxacom mailing list submissions to taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the Web, visit: 
> http://mailman.nhm.ku.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/taxacom
> Taxacom Info Page - mailman.nhm.ku.edu Mailing Lists 
> <http://mailman.nhm.ku.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/taxacom>
> mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> Taxacom is an e-mail list for biological systematics. Named and 
> brought to life by Drs. Richard Zander and Patricia Eckel, Taxacom 
> began its peripatetic existence on ...
>
>
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at: 
> taxacom-owner at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>
> Nurturing Nuance while Assaulting Ambiguity for 30 Some Years, 1987-2017.
>
> *Rhif Elusen Gofrestredig 1141565 - Registered Charity No. 1141565*
>
> Gall y neges e-bost hon, ac unrhyw atodiadau a anfonwyd gyda hi, 
> gynnwys deunydd cyfrinachol ac wedi eu bwriadu i'w defnyddio'n unig 
> gan y sawl y cawsant eu cyfeirio ato (atynt). Os ydych wedi derbyn y 
> neges e-bost hon trwy gamgymeriad, rhowch wybod i'r anfonwr ar unwaith 
> a dilewch y neges. Os na fwriadwyd anfon y neges atoch chi, rhaid i 
> chi beidio a defnyddio, cadw neu ddatgelu unrhyw wybodaeth a gynhwysir 
> ynddi. Mae unrhyw farn neu safbwynt yn eiddo i'r sawl a'i hanfonodd yn 
> unig ac nid yw o anghenraid yn cynrychioli barn Prifysgol Bangor. Nid 
> yw Prifysgol Bangor yn gwarantu bod y neges e-bost hon neu unrhyw 
> atodiadau yn rhydd rhag firysau neu 100% yn ddiogel. Oni bai fod hyn 
> wedi ei ddatgan yn uniongyrchol yn nhestun yr e-bost, nid bwriad y 
> neges e-bost hon yw ffurfio contract rhwymol - mae rhestr o lofnodwyr 
> awdurdodedig ar gael o Swyddfa Cyllid Prifysgol Bangor.
>
> This email and any attachments may contain confidential material and 
> is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). If you have 
> received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and 
> delete this email. If you are not the intended recipient(s), you must 
> not use, retain or disclose any information contained in this email. 
> Any views or opinions are solely those of the sender and do not 
> necessarily represent those of Bangor University. Bangor University 
> does not guarantee that this email or any attachments are free from 
> viruses or 100% secure. Unless expressly stated in the body of the 
> text of the email, this email is not intended to form a binding 
> contract - a list of authorised signatories is available from the 
> Bangor University Finance Office.
>

-- 
__________________________________________________

Michael A. Ivie, Ph.D., F.R.E.S.

NOTE: two addresses with different Zip Codes depending on carriers

US Post Office Address:
Montana Entomology Collection
Marsh Labs, Room 50
PO Box 173145
Montana State University
Bozeman, MT 59717
USA

UPS, FedEx, DHL Address:
Montana Entomology Collection
Marsh Labs, Room 50
1911 West Lincoln Street
Montana State University
Bozeman, MT 59718
USA

(406) 994-4610 (voice)
(406) 994-6029 (FAX)
mivie at montana.edu