[Taxacom] Taxacom Digest, Vol 131, Issue 12
Antonio López Almirall
cycas at mnhnc.inf.cu
Wed Mar 15 12:46:50 CDT 2017
Unfortunately scientific illustrators work has been little recognized in his
time, though on more than one occasion after his death these illustrations
come to be worth lots of money. I remember for example illustrations in
vellum that made Redoute to Lamark.
When I started working, very young, I had a scientific Illustrator named
Jorge Duporte (see online), whose watercolors became so popular and famous,
that left behind the title of Illustrator to be called nature artist.
Starting from that time and so appears in the first catalogues of that
painter, I became in botanical Advisor of cartoonist naturalist.
Scientific illustration is therefore in my view, as respectable as any other
art, and illustrators should be considered as such. It can be best or worst,
but always artist.
Dr. Antonio López Almirall
President of the Scientific Council
National Museum of Natural History of Cuba
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: scientific illustrations and access (Michael A. Ivie)
2. scientific illustrations and access (Tim Dickinson)
3. Re: scientific illustrations and access (Michael A. Ivie)
4. Philosophy of Biological Systematics course at Natural
History Museum of Los Angeles County (Kirk Fitzhugh)
5. Re: scientific illustrations and access (Quentin Groom)
6. Re: scientific illustrations and access (Michael A. Ivie)
7. Re: scientific illustrations and access (Quentin Groom)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 11:52:40 -0600
From: "Michael A. Ivie" <mivie at montana.edu>
To: <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] scientific illustrations and access
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This is a continuation of a disturbing new trend we see in the US from
our President: If you want something, just make a claim the laws don't
apply to you and take it. There is a large body of law that shows that
artwork in a publication is subject to copyright. This paper does not
have any affect on that fact. Until is it tested in court in each
country, it is just an assertion.
Mike
On 3/13/2017 3:29 PM, Donat Agosti wrote:
> Here is the link to the press release
https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2017-03/pp-lor031317.php
[https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2017-03/pp-lor031317.php]<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.eurekalert.org%2Fpub_releases%2F2017-03%2Fpp-lor031317.php&data=01%7C01%7Cagosti%40amnh.org%7C9154da42673940b6b24708d46a28fb21%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C0&sdata=go798VKWViVVbLOodYMQSM38JcugcumJcMNJJPKYhGw%3D&reserved=0
[https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.eurekalert.org%2Fpub_releases%2F2017-03%2Fpp-lor031317.php&data=01%7C01%7Cagosti%40amnh.org%7C9154da42673940b6b24708d46a28fb21%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C0&sdata=go798VKWViVVbLOodYMQSM38JcugcumJcMNJJPKYhGw%3D&reserved=0]>
, the article https://t.co/mi5JknB2VQ [https://t.co/mi5JknB2VQ] about, and
what can be done with the huge untapped body of scientific illustrations if
we free them, that is, give them the freedom they ought to have, not least
so that they can be given due limelight and attribution
https://zenodo.org/communities/biosyslit/searchpage=1&size=20&file_type=png
[https://zenodo.org/communities/biosyslit/searchpage=1&size=20&file_type=png]
>
> Donat
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 15:33:41 -0400
From: Tim Dickinson <tim.dickinson at utoronto.ca>
To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
Subject: [Taxacom] scientific illustrations and access
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In the EurekaAlert posting, Donat et al. are quoted as saying, " Often
it is necessary to use images to demonstrate characteristic traits and
morphological differences or similarities. In this role, the images are
best seen as biodiversity data rather than artwork. According to the
authors, this puts them outside the scope, purposes and principles of
Copyright. Moreover, such images are most useful when they are presented
in a standardized fashion, and lack the artistic creativity that would
otherwise make them 'copyrightable works'."
Scientific illustrators are not cameras, and don't work for the cost of
a point-and-shoot camera and a copy of Photoshop. Systematists have to
find the funds with which to pay the artists who illustrate their work,
and the artists in turn may be relying on their illustrations to subsist
and remain active as illustrators. The claim that scientific
illustrations are, or should be, in the public domain as a matter of
fiat is immoral. If scientists (and their publishers) wish to adorn
their publications with beautiful, scientifically correct artwork they
should pay for the privilege of using the work of others whether in the
form of royalties or reimbursements to institutions that take
responsibility for preserving scientific literature. Failing that, they
can cite the publications in which the illustrations in question
appeared, or they can make their own.
We are fortunate to live in a time when, if "traipsing to a library" is
not possible, then online access may be, thanks to initiatives like the
Biodiversity Heritage Library. Let's keep online access something that
levels the playing field for students and workers around the world, and
not give publishers the opportunity to sequester scientifically
important imagery behind paywalls.
---TAD.
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 13:35:23 -0600
From: "Michael A. Ivie" <mivie at montana.edu>
To: Taxa com <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] scientific illustrations and access
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David,
Since we cannot even get a huge number of systematists to understand
whether their nomenclature is consistent with the relatively simple
legal system called the ICZN, expecting even a random lawyer to know if
this "is consistent with law." That judgement is not valid from you, it
comes from a judge. [Note: Judgement is the result of a Judge.] Not my
job to do your job of looking at case law. Come back when you have a
judge's ruling to cite.
Mike
On 3/14/2017 1:26 PM, David Patterson wrote:
> Mike
>
> The authors were very clear that we present on opinion, but one that
> is consistent with law. Could you provide the case law or other legal
> precedents to support your claim that there is law that supports the
> treatment of 'artwork' in publications as being under copyright. Thanks
>
> David
>
> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 4:52 AM, Michael A. Ivie <mivie at montana.edu
> <mailto:mivie at montana.edu>> wrote:
>
> This is a continuation of a disturbing new trend we see in the US
> from our President: If you want something, just make a claim the
> laws don't apply to you and take it. There is a large body of law
> that shows that artwork in a publication is subject to copyright.
> This paper does not have any affect on that fact. Until is it
> tested in court in each country, it is just an assertion.
>
> Mike
>
>
> On 3/13/2017 3:29 PM, Donat Agosti wrote:
>
> Here is the link to the press release
> https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2017-03/pp-lor031317.php
[https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2017-03/pp-lor031317.php]
> <https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2017-03/pp-lor031317.php
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> , the article https://t.co/mi5JknB2VQ [https://t.co/mi5JknB2VQ]
about, and what can be
> done with the huge untapped body of scientific illustrations
> if we free them, that is, give them the freedom they ought to
> have, not least so that they can be given due limelight and
> attribution
>
https://zenodo.org/communities/biosyslit/searchpage=1&size=20&file_type=png
[https://zenodo.org/communities/biosyslit/searchpage=1&size=20&file_type=png]
>
<https://zenodo.org/communities/biosyslit/searchpage=1&size=20&file_type=png
[https://zenodo.org/communities/biosyslit/searchpage=1&size=20&file_type=png]>
>
> Donat
>
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> 1987-2017.
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>
> --
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> Michael A. Ivie, Ph.D., F.R.E.S.
>
> NOTE: two addresses with different Zip Codes depending on carriers
>
> US Post Office Address:
> Montana Entomology Collection
> Marsh Labs, Room 50
> PO Box 173145
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 12:42:44 -0700
From: Kirk Fitzhugh <kfitzhugh at nhm.org>
To: TAXACOM <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
Subject: [Taxacom] Philosophy of Biological Systematics course at
Natural History Museum of Los Angeles County
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Colleagues,
For the first time, I'm offering my Philosophy of Biological Systematics
course in the US, 14-18 August 2017, at the Natural History Museum of
Los Angeles County <nhm.org>. The course is open to anyone in the Los
Angeles/Southern California region with an interest in systematics,
including practicing systematists/taxonomists, graduate students, and
university faculty. This is a unique opportunity to critically consider
the scientific status of biological systematics. Funding for travel or
lodging cannot be provided. I would be grateful if you would pass this
notice along to your colleagues and students.
Information on the course can be downloaded from this link:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/x2w2ozzbpll51bx/NHM%20Philosophy%20of%20Systematics%20course%202017.pdf?dl=0
[https://www.dropbox.com/s/x2w2ozzbpll51bx/NHM%20Philosophy%20of%20Systematics%20course%202017.pdf?dl=0].
Feel free to contact me if you have any questions.
Thanks, Kirk
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Invertebrate Zoology Section
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Phone: 213-763-3233
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 20:46:03 +0100
From: Quentin Groom <quentin.groom at plantentuinmeise.be>
To: "Michael A. Ivie" <mivie at montana.edu>
Cc: taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] scientific illustrations and access
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Copyright is a burden for scientists that most of us don't need and goes
against the intension of science. Most of us want our work to be used. It
would be far better if we had to opt into copyright, rather than have it
imposed on us. It is even imposed on dead people who can't fight back.
I hope this assertion is challenged, because we need to know the limits of
copyright law.
Just for the record, I do not claim any rights on this email it is public
record, CC0.
Regards
Quentin
On 14 Mar 2017 6:52 p.m., "Michael A. Ivie" <mivie at montana.edu> wrote:
This is a continuation of a disturbing new trend we see in the US from our
President: If you want something, just make a claim the laws don't apply to
you and take it. There is a large body of law that shows that artwork in a
publication is subject to copyright. This paper does not have any affect
on that fact. Until is it tested in court in each country, it is just an
assertion.
Mike
On 3/13/2017 3:29 PM, Donat Agosti wrote:
> Here is the link to the press release https://www.eurekalert.org/pub
[https://www.eurekalert.org/pub]
> _releases/2017-03/pp-lor031317.php<https://na01.safelinks
[https://na01.safelinks/].
> protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.eurekalert.
> org%2Fpub_releases%2F2017-03%2Fpp-lor031317.php&data=01%
> 7C01%7Cagosti%40amnh.org%7C9154da42673940b6b24708d46a28fb21%
> 7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C0&sdata=go798VKWViVVbLO
> odYMQSM38JcugcumJcMNJJPKYhGw%3D&reserved=0> , the article
> https://t.co/mi5JknB2VQ [https://t.co/mi5JknB2VQ] about, and what can be
done with the huge
> untapped body of scientific illustrations if we free them, that is, give
> them the freedom they ought to have, not least so that they can be given
> due limelight and attribution https://zenodo.org/communities
[https://zenodo.org/communities]
> /biosyslit/searchpage=1&size=20&file_type=png
>
> Donat
>
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>
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NOTE: two addresses with different Zip Codes depending on carriers
US Post Office Address:
Montana Entomology Collection
Marsh Labs, Room 50
PO Box 173145
Montana State University
Bozeman, MT 59717
USA
UPS, FedEx, DHL Address:
Montana Entomology Collection
Marsh Labs, Room 50
1911 West Lincoln Street
Montana State University
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 13:58:09 -0600
From: "Michael A. Ivie" <mivie at montana.edu>
To: Quentin Groom <quentin.groom at plantentuinmeise.be>
Cc: taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] scientific illustrations and access
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Quentin,
First, your thought could be stated in this way for many, possibly most
scientists, even biologists: "The ICZN is a burden for scientists that
most of us don't need and goes against the intention of science." Just
because of that, we don't throw out the rules. Same here.
Second, it is easy to not have your work copyrighted, as long as you
choose to publish in the many journals that do not take copyright for
what is published. For those, copyright is retained by the creator or
author, depending on the details, and may be made open. For instance,
anything published by a US government employee is not copyrighted. I
believe UK and Canadian employees leave theirs in the hands of the Queen.
There are people who make their living on this stuff, and they should
not be robbed unless the courts have approved it.
If someone really believes the stuff in this paper, they should steal a
bunch of images from one of the big commercial publishers who have
lawyers to argue the case, and see if they can win in court, in some
major publishing country (Iraqi or Cuban courts don't count).
Otherwise, this is just unsupported assertion.
Mike
On 3/14/2017 1:46 PM, Quentin Groom wrote:
> Copyright is a burden for scientists that most of us don't need and
> goes against the intension of science. Most of us want our work to be
> used. It would be far better if we had to opt into copyright, rather
> than have it imposed on us. It is even imposed on dead people who
> can't fight back.
> I hope this assertion is challenged, because we need to know the
> limits of copyright law.
> Just for the record, I do not claim any rights on this email it is
> public record, CC0.
> Regards
> Quentin
>
>
> On 14 Mar 2017 6:52 p.m., "Michael A. Ivie" <mivie at montana.edu
> <mailto:mivie at montana.edu>> wrote:
>
> This is a continuation of a disturbing new trend we see in the US
> from our President: If you want something, just make a claim the
> laws don't apply to you and take it. There is a large body of law
> that shows that artwork in a publication is subject to copyright.
> This paper does not have any affect on that fact. Until is it
> tested in court in each country, it is just an assertion.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> On 3/13/2017 3:29 PM, Donat Agosti wrote:
>
> Here is the link to the press release
> https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2017-03/pp-lor031317.php
[https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2017-03/pp-lor031317.php]
> <https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2017-03/pp-lor031317.php
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> , the article https://t.co/mi5JknB2VQ [https://t.co/mi5JknB2VQ]
about, and what can be
> done with the huge untapped body of scientific illustrations
> if we free them, that is, give them the freedom they ought to
> have, not least so that they can be given due limelight and
> attribution
>
https://zenodo.org/communities/biosyslit/searchpage=1&size=20&file_type=png
[https://zenodo.org/communities/biosyslit/searchpage=1&size=20&file_type=png]
>
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 21:48:55 +0100
From: Quentin Groom <quentin.groom at plantentuinmeise.be>
To: "Michael A. Ivie" <mivie at montana.edu>
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Subject: Re: [Taxacom] scientific illustrations and access
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I'm not following the comment on the ICZN as this is a system we opt into.
Copyright is not that easy to opt out of. If the opt out is written onto
the document from publication then you are fine, but otherwise you have to
be alive and contactable or your ancestors have to be found and prove that
they own the copyright. If you are alive then you can only respond to every
request individually. For many multi author documents it is virtually
impossible to find out who owns the copyright. There is not repository of
copyright opt outs. Opt in seems to work for patents and opt in doesn't
stop people making money on commertial material.
Regards
Quentin
Dr. Quentin Groom
(Botany and Information Technology)
Botanic Garden Meise
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On 14 March 2017 at 20:58, Michael A. Ivie <mivie at montana.edu> wrote:
> Quentin,
>
> First, your thought could be stated in this way for many, possibly most
> scientists, even biologists: "The ICZN is a burden for scientists that
most
> of us don't need and goes against the intention of science." Just because
> of that, we don't throw out the rules. Same here.
>
> Second, it is easy to not have your work copyrighted, as long as you
> choose to publish in the many journals that do not take copyright for
what
> is published. For those, copyright is retained by the creator or author,
> depending on the details, and may be made open. For instance, anything
> published by a US government employee is not copyrighted. I believe UK
and
> Canadian employees leave theirs in the hands of the Queen.
>
> There are people who make their living on this stuff, and they should not
> be robbed unless the courts have approved it.
>
> If someone really believes the stuff in this paper, they should steal a
> bunch of images from one of the big commercial publishers who have
lawyers
> to argue the case, and see if they can win in court, in some major
> publishing country (Iraqi or Cuban courts don't count). Otherwise, this
is
> just unsupported assertion.
>
> Mike
>
> On 3/14/2017 1:46 PM, Quentin Groom wrote:
>
> Copyright is a burden for scientists that most of us don't need and goes
> against the intension of science. Most of us want our work to be used. It
> would be far better if we had to opt into copyright, rather than have it
> imposed on us. It is even imposed on dead people who can't fight back.
> I hope this assertion is challenged, because we need to know the limits
of
> copyright law.
> Just for the record, I do not claim any rights on this email it is public
> record, CC0.
> Regards
> Quentin
>
>
> On 14 Mar 2017 6:52 p.m., "Michael A. Ivie" <mivie at montana.edu> wrote:
>
> This is a continuation of a disturbing new trend we see in the US from
our
> President: If you want something, just make a claim the laws don't apply
to
> you and take it. There is a large body of law that shows that artwork in
a
> publication is subject to copyright. This paper does not have any
affect
> on that fact. Until is it tested in court in each country, it is just an
> assertion.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> On 3/13/2017 3:29 PM, Donat Agosti wrote:
>
>> Here is the link to the press release https://www.eurekalert.org/pub
[https://www.eurekalert.org/pub]
>> _releases/2017-03/pp-lor031317.php<https://na01.safelinks.pr
[https://na01.safelinks.pr/]
>> otection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.eurekalert.org%
>> 2Fpub_releases%2F2017-03%2Fpp-lor031317.php&data=01%7C01%
>> 7Cagosti%40amnh.org%7C9154da42673940b6b24708d46a28fb21%7Cbe0
>> 003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C0&sdata=go798VKWViVVbLOodYMQ
>> SM38JcugcumJcMNJJPKYhGw%3D&reserved=0> , the article
>> https://t.co/mi5JknB2VQ [https://t.co/mi5JknB2VQ] about, and what can be
done with the huge
>> untapped body of scientific illustrations if we free them, that is, give
>> them the freedom they ought to have, not least so that they can be given
>> due limelight and attribution https://zenodo.org/communities
[https://zenodo.org/communities]
>> /biosyslit/searchpage=1&size=20&file_type=png
>>
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