[Taxacom] monotypic or monobasic
Mary Barkworth
Mary.Barkworth at usu.edu
Sat Dec 16 05:14:30 CST 2017
Hurray! Thank you Paul. It was probably suggested to me by someone as it is not the sort of thing I would have gone out on a limb over.
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Well, "unispecific" is endorsed by the ICNafp, see the Glossary:
http://www.iapt-taxon.org/nomen/main.php?page=glo
Paul
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From: "Mary Barkworth" <Mary.Barkworth at usu.edu>
To: "Les Watling" <watling at hawaii.edu>; <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] monotypic or monobasic
> and then there is unispecific. No endorsement for it but we used it in the
> FNA grass volumes in response to comments that monotypic was not always
> appreopriate.
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> Blackwelder, (1967), p. 517:
>
> "If a new genus is proposed for a single species, that species is
> automatically the genotype, and the genus is said to be *monobasic*. (The
> term *monotypic* is sometimes used in this sense, buit it is inappropriate
> and should be avoided.)"
>
> News to me..... should have paid closer attention in class!
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> Les
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>> 1. Re: monotypic or monobasic (Lynn Raw)
>> 2. Re: monotypic or monobasic (Stephen Thorpe)
>> 3. Three kinds of bacteria (Negibacteria the oldest) (Kenneth Kinman)
>> 4. monotypic monobasic (John Grehan)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 20:18:15 +0100
>> From: Lynn Raw <lynn at afriherp.org>
>> To: Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
>> Cc: taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
>> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] monotypic or monobasic
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>> From what I understand, monobasic is a term used in chemistry while
>> monotypic is a term used in taxonomy and nomenclature. Definitions of
>> both
>> terms are available in good dictionaries or even on the web.
>>
>> Lynn Raw
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> > On 14 Dec 2017, at 09:49, Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Monotypy is a nomenclatural term (ICZN) in relation to the fixation of
>> > a
>> type species of a new genus, but the grammatical variant monotypic has
>> broader meaning. It is perhaps ugly to have variants of the same term
>> with
>> different meanings (one broader than the other)!
>> >
>> > Stephen
>> >
>> > --------------------------------------------
>> > On Thu, 14/12/17, Paul van Rijckevorsel <dipteryx at freeler.nl> wrote:
>> >
>> > Subject: Re: [Taxacom] monotypic or monobasic
>> > To: "taxacom" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
>> > Received: Thursday, 14 December, 2017, 9:32 PM
>> >
>> > The correct term should be
>> > "unispecific".
>> >
>> > The term "monotypic" sounds
>> > nomenclatural, and
>> > indeed has been defined
>> > as a nomenclatural term
>> > in the ICNafp. By
>> > contrast, "unispecific" represents
>> > a taxonomic concept
>> >
>> > Sometimes "monospecific" can be
>> > found, but this
>> > is ugly, as it is a hybrid
>> > combining a Greek and a
>> > Latin word
>> > element.
>> >
>> > Paul
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >
>> > From: "Stephen Thorpe" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
>> > To: "taxacom" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>;
>> > "John Grehan"
>> > <calabar.john at gmail.com>
>> > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 7:44 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [Taxacom] monotypic or
>> > monobasic
>> >
>> >
>> >> I expect that these terms don't have
>> > very precise definitions and that
>> >> there
>> > may be a fair amount of variation in exact usage. My feeling
>> > is that
>> >> "monobasic" isn't
>> > used much any more. It presumably means "with a single
>> >
>> >> basis", i.e. "based on a
>> > single species". Monotypic presumably means "based
>> >
>> >> on a single type", though
>> > "type" should, I think, be interpreted in the
>> >> general sense, not as types in the
>> > nomenclatural sense (i.e. type species
>> >> or type specimens), which is a possible
>> > source of confusion. So, a genus
>> >> with
>> > just one species regarded as valid would be monotypic, even
>> > if the
>> >> single species had synonyms (and
>> > therefore more than one type specimen
>> >> included). All nominal genera obviously
>> > have only one type species, whether
>> >> or
>> > not the genus is monotypic! Monotypy is the act of basing a
>> > new genus on
>> >> a single species. I have
>> > never seen or heard the term "monobasy"! I also
>> >
>> >> don't think that these terms apply
>> > to species, i.e. basing a new species on
>> >> a single specimen doesn't make the
>> > species mono-anything!
>> >> Stephen
>> >>
>> >>
>> > --------------------------------------------
>> >> On Thu, 14/12/17, John Grehan <calabar.john at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Subject:
>> > [Taxacom] monotypic or monobasic
>> >> To:
>> > "taxacom" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
>> >> Received: Thursday, 14 December, 2017,
>> > 6:07 PM
>> >>
>> >> Dear
>> > colleagues,
>> >>
>> >> I have
>> > seen the terms 'monotypic' and
>> >>
>> > 'monobasic' applied to genera with a
>> >> single species. I am curious to know if
>> >> there is a technically correct
>> >> choice for the use of these terms for
>> >> such genera. If anyone may be able to
>> >> enlighten me as to the rules, if any,
>> >> governing how these terms are
>> >> properly used I would be most
>> >> grateful.
>> >>
>> >> John Grehan
>> >>
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 20:13:15 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
>> To: Lynn Raw <lynn at afriherp.org>
>> Cc: taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
>> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] monotypic or monobasic
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>> "Monobasic" certainly is (or was) also used in taxonomy, but perhaps not
>> so much now, and any Google search only turns up the chemistry meaning.
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>> --------------------------------------------
>> On Fri, 15/12/17, Lynn Raw <lynn at afriherp.org> wrote:
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] monotypic or monobasic
>> To: "Stephen Thorpe" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
>> Cc: "taxacom" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>, "Paul van Rijckevorsel" <
>> dipteryx at freeler.nl>
>> Received: Friday, 15 December, 2017, 8:18 AM
>>
>> From what I understand, monobasic
>> is a term used in chemistry while monotypic is a term used
>> in taxonomy and nomenclature. Definitions of both terms are
>> available in good dictionaries or even on the web.
>>
>> Lynn Raw
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> > On 14 Dec 2017, at 09:49, Stephen Thorpe
>> <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Monotypy
>> is a nomenclatural term (ICZN) in relation to the fixation
>> of a type species of a new genus, but the grammatical
>> variant monotypic has broader meaning. It is perhaps ugly to
>> have variants of the same term with different meanings (one
>> broader than the other)!
>> >
>> > Stephen
>> >
>> >
>> --------------------------------------------
>> > On Thu, 14/12/17, Paul van Rijckevorsel
>> <dipteryx at freeler.nl>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Subject:
>> Re: [Taxacom] monotypic or monobasic
>> >
>> To: "taxacom" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
>> > Received: Thursday, 14 December, 2017,
>> 9:32 PM
>> >
>> > The
>> correct term should be
>> >
>> "unispecific".
>> >
>> > The term "monotypic" sounds
>> > nomenclatural, and
>> >
>> indeed has been defined
>> > as a
>> nomenclatural term
>> > in the ICNafp. By
>> > contrast, "unispecific"
>> represents
>> > a taxonomic concept
>> >
>> > Sometimes
>> "monospecific" can be
>> > found,
>> but this
>> > is ugly, as it is a hybrid
>> > combining a Greek and a
>> > Latin word
>> >
>> element.
>> >
>> > Paul
>> >
>> > ----- Original
>> Message -----
>> >
>> >
>> From: "Stephen Thorpe" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
>> > To: "taxacom" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>;
>> > "John Grehan"
>> > <calabar.john at gmail.com>
>> > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 7:44
>> AM
>> > Subject: Re: [Taxacom] monotypic
>> or
>> > monobasic
>> >
>> >
>> >> I expect that
>> these terms don't have
>> > very precise
>> definitions and that
>> >> there
>> > may be a fair amount of variation in exact
>> usage. My feeling
>> > is that
>> >> "monobasic" isn't
>> > used much any more. It presumably means
>> "with a single
>> >
>> >> basis", i.e. "based on a
>> > single species". Monotypic presumably
>> means "based
>> >
>> >> on a single type", though
>> > "type" should, I think, be
>> interpreted in the
>> >> general sense,
>> not as types in the
>> > nomenclatural sense
>> (i.e. type species
>> >> or type
>> specimens), which is a possible
>> > source
>> of confusion. So, a genus
>> >> with
>> > just one species regarded as valid would
>> be monotypic, even
>> > if the
>> >> single species had synonyms (and
>> > therefore more than one type specimen
>> >> included). All nominal genera
>> obviously
>> > have only one type species,
>> whether
>> >> or
>> >
>> not the genus is monotypic! Monotypy is the act of basing
>> a
>> > new genus on
>> >> a single species. I have
>> > never seen or heard the term
>> "monobasy"! I also
>> >
>> >> don't think that these terms
>> apply
>> > to species, i.e. basing a new
>> species on
>> >> a single specimen
>> doesn't make the
>> > species
>> mono-anything!
>> >> Stephen
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> --------------------------------------------
>> >> On Thu, 14/12/17, John Grehan <calabar.john at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Subject:
>> >
>> [Taxacom] monotypic or monobasic
>> >>
>> To:
>> > "taxacom" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
>> >> Received: Thursday, 14 December,
>> 2017,
>> > 6:07 PM
>> >>
>>
>> >> Dear
>> >
>> colleagues,
>> >>
>> >> I have
>> > seen the
>> terms 'monotypic' and
>> >>
>> > 'monobasic' applied to genera with
>> a
>> >> single species. I am curious to
>> know if
>> >> there is a technically
>> correct
>> >> choice for the use of these
>> terms for
>> >> such genera. If anyone
>> may be able to
>> >> enlighten me as to
>> the rules, if any,
>> >> governing how
>> these terms are
>> >> properly used I
>> would be most
>> >> grateful.
>> >>
>> >> John
>> Grehan
>> >>
>> >
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 17:21:14 +0000
>> From: Kenneth Kinman <kinman at hotmail.com>
>> To: taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
>> Subject: [Taxacom] Three kinds of bacteria (Negibacteria the oldest)
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>> Dear All,
>> I am puzzled why the prokaryotes are still classified as Domains
>> Bacteria and Archaea. The most fundamental divide should actually be
>> between Negibacteria (which possess the outer negibacterial membrane) on
>> the one hand, and the Posibacteria and Archaebacteria (which have lost
>> that
>> outer membrane). Cavalier-Smith 1998 proposed the name Unibacteria for
>> Posibacteria + Archaebacteria (since they have only the one membrane, not
>> two).
>> Cavalier-Smith, 2006 ("Rooting the tree of life by transition
>> analyses") shows that Negibacteria are the oldest of the three taxa, and
>> Archaebacteria are actually the youngest. I am pretty sure that is why
>> eubacterial trees are so screwed up, because using Archaebacteria as the
>> outgroup will misroot them (Archaebacteria are actually an ingroup, not
>> an
>> outgroup).
>> Anyway, the names Negibacteria and Posibacteria were proposed 30
>> years ago (Cavalier-Smith, 1987), and they are excellent names which
>> subdivide the Eubacteria into two large and important taxa. So why
>> aren't
>> they being used in databases like Catalogue of Life and NCBI's Taxonomy
>> Browser, etc. ? The Three Domain classification of life is outdated and
>> should have been discarded a long time ago.
>> -----------------Ken Kinman
>> Cavalier-Smith, 2006:
>> https://openi.nlm.nih.gov/detailedresult.php?img=
>> PMC1586193_1745-6150-1-19-2&req=4
>> Evolutionary relationships among the four major kinds o | Open-i<
>> https://openi.nlm.nih.gov/detailedresult.php?img=
>> PMC1586193_1745-6150-1-19-2&req=4>
>> openi.nlm.nih.gov
>> Evolutionary relationships among the four major kinds of cell. The
>> horizontal red arrow indicates the position of the universal root as
>> inferred from the first
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 12:23:42 -0500
>> From: John Grehan <calabar.john at gmail.com>
>> To: taxacom <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
>> Subject: [Taxacom] monotypic monobasic
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>> My thanks for the various responses. Much appreciated.
>>
>> John Grehan
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