[Taxacom] Return of the digital taxa
Stephen Thorpe
stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
Thu Sep 22 01:15:50 CDT 2016
I agree with Mike that it is indeed strange! I'm trying to get an explanation from Jiri Hava via ResearchGate, but nothing as yet. I guess the simple answer is that Pushkin thought he could get away with it (don't most people who commit crimes?) I guess it is remotely possible that the real Pushkin is being set up as the world's first "taxonomic patsy", but probably unlikely! My money is still on his motivation being anger about Hava blocking his access to material, or something along those lines. Hopefully we might find out at least some of the truth?
Stephen
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On Thu, 22/9/16, Michael A. Ivie <mivie at montana.edu> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Return of the digital taxa
To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
Received: Thursday, 22 September, 2016, 6:09 PM
This seems so strange,
there is nothing about it that helps Pushkin. The
only possible outcome for Pushkin is
discrediting. Is there any chance
someone
that wanted to discredit him did this with his name on it
but he
had no knowledge of it? I
don't know him at all, but it seems
self-destructive if true.
Mike
On 9/21/2016 11:38 PM, Stephen Thorpe wrote:
> Since fraudulent taxonomy is very bad for
science, I have just now emailed the rector (=vice
chancellor, =president) of the university that Pushkin
claims to be affiliated with, alerting her to the issue, and
suggesting that someone needs to talk to him. I have no idea
if she will bother to read or take my email seriously, or
even if Puskin really is affiliated with that University as
he claims, but maybe it might help to prevent further such
fraudulent publications?
>
> Stephen
>
>
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> On Thu, 22/9/16, JF Mate <aphodiinaemate at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Return
of the digital taxa
> To:
"Taxacom" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> Received: Thursday, 22
September, 2016, 4:52 PM
>
> Hi Stephen,
>
> "Holotype"
picture
> of T. zhantievi is
actually T. laeta pinched from
> this website: http://www.dermestidae.com/Thaumaglossalaeta.html
>
> Genitalia of
> "Holotype" T.
zhantievi is actually genitalia from
> T.
> mroczkowski from the article
by Hava
> & Kadej (2005:
Description of a
> new
> species of Thaumaglossa
REDTENBACHER), fig 7.
>
>
> I agree that
> the Hava et al 2016 article
is somewhat confused and but
> I stand by the digital
pinching by Pushkin,
> which
was the original
> intention
in me
> highlighting this
article.
>
> Best
>
> Jason
>
> On 22 September 2016 at
14:38,
> Stephen Thorpe
> <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
> wrote:
> > Jason said "Because
the
> author pinched the
pictures from former colaborators who had
> previously described a real
new species in another article
> 10 years before, photosopped
them and published it as a
> different species".
> >
> > Sorry Jason, but you are
making that up!
> Where's the evidence.
Besides, the "real
> species" to which you
refer is Thaumaglossa laeta
> Arrow, 1915. I think you need
to consult a calculator if you
> think 1915 is "10 years
before"!
> >
> > Stephen
> >
> >
> --------------------------------------------
> > On Thu, 22/9/16, JF Mate
<aphodiinaemate at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Subject:
> Re: [Taxacom] Return of the
digital taxa
> > To:
"Taxacom" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> > Received: Thursday, 22
September, 2016,
> 4:30
PM
> >
> > Relax
> Stephen,
> >
> >
> "Just to be clear,
> > descriptions
> *never* required "dead
bodies".
> >
This
> > is nothing
> new."
> > I
> >
> know, I am recycling somebody
elses title. Take it up
> with
> > them.
> >
> > "Also, it is
not
> > a nomen nudum.
A nomen nudum is a name
> published
> > without a
> description/diagnosis or
> >
> illustration. I assume you
mean
> > that
> it
> > fails to be an
available name for
> some
reason (I can think
> >
of
> > two candidate
reasons in this
> >
case)." That is not why I brought
> it up.
> >
> >
> "Most importantly, I
am
> > at a
> total and complete loss as to
why you
> >
> think this paper has any
relevance to
> >
> "without dead
bodies". The
> >
> description includes details
and illustrations
> >
of the internal
> >
> genitalia, etc.! Why in
the
> > name of
> heck do you refer to this
case as
> >
> a
> > "dirty
deed"?? I think
> that
it must be you who are
> > confused
> ... "
> > Because the author
> > pinched the pictures
from former
> colaborators
who
> > had
previously
> described a
real new species in
> >
> another article 10
> > years before,
> photosopped
> > them and published it
as
> a different
> > species. I think that
is
> interesting and
> > somehow it has
> bearing,
> > however
> > tangentially, to the
rise of digital
> only
descriptions.
> >
> > Best
> >
> > On 22 September 2016
at 13:56,
> Stephen
> > Thorpe
> >
> <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
> > wrote:
> > > Just
> to be clear, descriptions
> > *never*
> required "dead
bodies". This is nothing
> > new. Also, it is not a
nomen nudum. A
> nomen nudum
is a name
> >
published
> without a
description/diagnosis or illustration. I
> > assume you mean that
it fails to be an
> available name for
> > some reason (I can
> think of two candidate
reasons in this
> >
case). However, it will probably be
> treated as an available
> > name, as it
> only fails on a technicality,
and so do a great
> >
many names in big journals, so the Code
> will probably have
> > to "loosen
> up" at some stage. Most
importantly, I
> > am
at a total and complete loss as to
> why you think this
> > paper has any
> relevance to "without
dead bodies".
> >
The description includes details and
> illustrations of the
> > internal
> genitalia, etc.! Why in the
name of heck do you
> >
refer to this case as a "dirty
> deed"?? I think
> > that it must be
> you who are confused ...
> > >
> > > Stephen
> >
> >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------
> > > On Thu, 22/9/16,
JF Mate <aphodiinaemate at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Subject:
> >
> [Taxacom] Return of the
digital taxa
> >
> >
> > To:
"Taxacom" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> > > Received:
Thursday, 22 September,
> 2016,
> > 3:40 PM
> >
> >
> > > It seems
> > taxonomy fraudsters
have
> > >
cottoned on
> > the
fact that
> >
> > descriptions no
longer
> > require
> "dead bodies". A
description
> > >
of a new
> >
> >
> > Dermestidae was
published in
> Entomology
and Applied
> >
Science
> > >
Letters.
> >
> > Fortunately the author
was pretty lazy
> > and
it ended up being
> >
> a nomen
> >
> > nudum. Reference to
original article and
> > link to article
> >
> > uncovering
> > > the dirty
> deed below.
> > >
> > > Jason
> >
> >
> > > Original
article:
> >
Description of a new species of the
> genus
> > > Thaumaglossa
> (COLEOPTERA: Dermestidae:
> >
> Megatominae) of the
> > >
> Astrakhan
> > > Region of
Russia.
> > >
> > Entomology
> and Applied Science Letters,
2016, 3, 4:
> >
12-14.
> > >
> > >
> > > https://www.researchgate.net/publication/308163532_New_Faunistic_Records_and_remarks_on_Dermestidae_Coleoptera_-_Part_15
> > >
> >
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