[Taxacom] Important note Re: two names online published - one new species
Stephen Thorpe
stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
Thu Jan 28 15:46:02 CST 2016
>I do recall a conversation that effectively concluded that, per Art. 21.9, whichever version first fulfilled the requirements of availability would establish the date of publication<
This is an important point. It explicitly contradicts:
9.9. preliminary versions of works accessible electronically in advance of publication
Art. 9.9 means that any subsequent change in content of a work invalidates it. So, a work which seems to fulfill all requirements of availability at one time may lose that availabililty if the content subsequently changes! There is debate over whether or not addition of metadata counts as a change in content? John Noyes says yes, it does. Others say no, it doesn't. Is there a right or wrong answer?
Stephen
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On Fri, 29/1/16, Richard Pyle <deepreef at bishopmuseum.org> wrote:
Subject: RE: [Taxacom] Important note Re: two names online published - one new species
To: "'Stephen Thorpe'" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>, "'Laurent Raty'" <l.raty at skynet.be>, taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
Cc: j.noyes at nhm.ac.uk
Received: Friday, 29 January, 2016, 9:56 AM
> The Amendment was
issued in order to appease an unstoppable worldwide
> shift to electronic publishing. The ICZN
is worried that it may not survive if it
> doesn't change with the times and
appease the majority of the taxonomic
>
community.
Yup.
> So, a protocol for
electronic publication of new taxon names was, rather
> hastily it seems, put together.
Well, if 4 years of public
commentary can be described as "hasty".... sure.
I guess in geologic timescales, 4 years is effectively
instantaneous.
> Lots of
authors and publishers have
>
subsequently been diligently preregistering articles on
ZooBank, etc., for the
> sole purpose of
making the online first versions available from the date
that
> they are published online.
"Sole purpose" is
overstated. Many people have been registering
retrospective content as well. I would say the #1 reason
people have registered content in ZooBank is because they
support the idea. I agree that compliance with e-publication
is another primary reason why stuff is getting registered in
ZooBank but certainly not the "sole purpose".
There are also Journals that explicitly do NOT want the
electronic edition to be the available version. Some ensure
this by failing to include LSIDs in the work itself, and
others may ensure this by failing to include an online
archive for the Journal in ZooBank (of course, nothing stops
individual authors from self-archiving, and indicating such
on an article-level basis in ZooBank).
> Problem: The Code states that preliminary
versions published online cannot
> be
made available, but fails to define "preliminary
version"!
YES!!!!
To me, that is a much bigger problem than the business about
online first vs. paper first, etc.
> This is so despite
>
the pleas of Commissioner Krell for clarification before the
Amendment was
> issued! Curious ...
I'd have to go back and
review the exchanges. Certainly the issue of defining
"preliminary version" was raised by multiple
Commissioners, and by people in the public. But I
don't have a specific recollection of why there was no
effort to add a definition of "preliminary
version". I do recall a conversation that effectively
concluded that, per Art. 21.9, whichever version first
fulfilled the requirements of availability would establish
the date of publication. But that still doesn't
address what a "primiminary version" is. Maybe
people just hoped it would be self-evident from the
publication itself what was preliminary, and what was not. I
have kept all email related to the Amendment, so I could go
review if I had time and inclination. However, I have
neither at the moment.
>
Several people (including John Noyes) object that
unpaginated versions not
> yet assigned
to volume/issue are preliminary versions, but many
(most?)
> other people deny that these
count as "preliminary versions". This
> uncertainty creates uncertainty as to the
exact date that many works and
> new
names became available (in the sense of the Code), which
causes
> problems for citation and also
determination of priority, and means that a lot
> of work spent on ZooBank preregistrations
may in fact have been a waste of
>
time!
Yup, that about sums
it up (although, again "a lot" may be an
overstatement). And it's nice to see the conversation
shifting towards this issue, which I think is the elephant
in the room compared to the other stuff.
> The "metadata" solution
represents an attempt, after the fact, to define
> "preliminary version" is such a
way as to avoid the above problem. It does
> avoid the above problem, but to what
extent is it actually written into the
>
Code? Is it a plausible interpretation of the Code as
written, or is it just
> something
concocted to try to solve the problem post hoc, with no
"official
> status"?
Yup, I'd agree with that
assessment.
> The upshot
of all this is that despite the attempts of the ICZN to
appease the
> wider taxonomic community,
they have failed to create a workable protocol
> for online first publication.
That statement is pretty
demonstrably false! The vast majority of works published
electronically do NOT suffer these problems. The protocol
is certainly "workable" in the sense that it
"works" in the vast majority of cases. We all
agree it's not perfect -- nobody ever thought it would
be perfect. Frankly, as I have said many times before, I
thought it would be much LESS perfect than it has proven to
be. I am quite surprised how few actual problems we
have. But as should be clear by my long email below, I do
not see a stable future in conflating nomenclatural
availability (and the desire for stability) with the rapidly
evolving realm of "publication". It's time
to move on to a new model that separates nomenclatural
availability and priority from the whole publication process
(except the extent to which ZooBank itself, as a registry,
can be considered a form of publication).
Aloha,
Rich
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