[Taxacom] Important note Re: two names online published - one new species

[Robin Leech]

Jeepers, 
Can't we let this die quickly?
Robin

-----Original Message-----
From: Taxacom [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Scott Thomson
Sent: January-25-16 4:03 PM
To: Stephen Thorpe
Cc: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu; engel'
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Important note Re: two names online published - one new species

Stephen,

although clearly I am not a part of this committee, I have chaired a few.
One thing they have in common is agenda's (not your meaning of the word I mean structure). I have to agree with what Frank said here. If they follow the typical set up of a managed committee any new item would come up under other business, which is generally last on the agenda. The agenda also sets a time limit. So items under other business often does not have a serious amount of time and is often held over to the next meeting, held over as an agenda item. That said, it is also very unlikely that any committee will vote affirmative for new business if the case is not made and made convincingly. Frank may feel what he put in was an important issue, and clearly it has become so. However, he also seems to accept that this is how committees work.

Committee's require a lot of cooperation, on the part of all members. They are also very responsible for what they do. So they have to err on the side of caution.

In what you have done here, some 120 mails over 3 threads I think. What have you achieved? To achieve a goal with a committee requires being proactive, yes, but not an activist. I said on the other thread there is a way to accomplish change, there is also a way to not accomplish it. It also requires staying on topic, not wandering. What has the current state of this debate got to do with the original question?

Cheers, Scott

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 8:24 PM, Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
wrote:

> Actually, it was Rich who snuck Taxacom back in again, after having 
> conducted an off-list conversation for a while. Like you, I just 
> clicked "reply to all". I was unaware that taxacom was back in, but no matter.
>
> I see that you made no comment re the ownership situation for Magnolia 
> Press! Presumably you got that one wrong!
>
> >At our publishers meeting in London, it came up late in the day and I 
> >did
> not succeed to make its relevance sufficiently clear to the person who 
> led the meeting. It was decided that we deal with it if ever problems emerge.
> Of course they would and they did, but at the time, this was not clear 
> to everybody.<
>
> Hold on! "Publishers meeting"? What's that? "Person who led the meeting"?
> Who was that? So, let me see if I understand: a crucial issue relating 
> to the proposed Amendment came up late "in THE day" and only came up 
> at all because you thought to raise it. But since "THE day" was at an 
> end, nobody could be bothered dealing with it! Hmmm ...
>
> So,
>
> Stephen
>
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Tue, 26/1/16, Frank T. Krell <Frank.Krell at dmns.org> wrote:
>
>  Subject: RE: [Taxacom] Important note Re: two names online published   -
>      one     new species
>  To: "Stephen Thorpe" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>, "'Paul van 
> Rijckevorsel'" <dipteryx at freeler.nl>, "taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu" < 
> taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>, "deepreef at bishopmuseum.org" < 
> deepreef at bishopmuseum.org>
>  Cc: "'engel''" <msengel at ku.edu>
>  Received: Tuesday, 26 January, 2016, 11:13 AM
>
>  Now this is funny again.
>  You, Stephen, included Taxacom. I just replied to all :-)  And as I 
> said, I am out again where I should  be.
>  Oh, wait, why was the preliminary
>  version issue not dealt with? At our publishers meeting in  London, 
> it came up late in the day and I did not succeed to  make its 
> relevance sufficiently clear to the person who led  the meeting. It 
> was decided that we deal with it if ever  problems emerge. Of course 
> they would and they did, but at  the time, this was not clear to 
> everybody. You do not have  much experience with committee work, do 
> you? It had nothing  to do with Zootaxa. And yes, even if you don’t 
> believe me,  it had nothing to do with Zootaxa.
>
>  Frank
>
>
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