[Taxacom] Important note Re: two names online published - one new species

Sun Jan 24 14:31:45 CST 2016

I would see the criteria for availability more liberally. Publishing with a publisher that archives all its publications anyway is an intention to archive.
Being pragmatic.

Frank

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-----Original Message-----
From: Taxacom [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Richard Pyle
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2016 12:42 PM
To: 'Stephen Thorpe' <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>; taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu; 'Doug Yanega' <dyanega at ucr.edu>
Cc: 'engel' <msengel at ku.edu>
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Important note Re: two names online published - one new species

I can confirm that the Archive was added to this record at 2016-01-23 12:21:46.330 UTC, by the same login account that created the original registration.  Following the principle that the work becomes available when all requirements are fulfilled (see my previous email reply to Laurent on this list), and assuming all other requirements for publication are met, my interpretation would be that the date of publication for purposes of priority should be 23 January 2016. If numerous copies of the paper edition were simultaneously obtainable prior to this date, and if the paper edition is in compliance with the Code for published works printed on paper, then the date of publication for purposes of priority should be interpreted as the date on which numerous copies of the printed edition were simultaneously obtainable (see Art. 21.9).

What is, or is not visible through the ZooBank website is irrelevant. The Code makes reference to content in the Official Register of Zoological Nomenclature, only a subset of which is visible on the website itself.  Future versions of the ZooBank website (pending development support) will include more robust and publicly visible documentation of when specific items were added or amended.

Aloha,
Rich

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Thorpe [mailto:stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz]
> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2016 9:25 AM
> To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu; Doug Yanega
> Cc: deepreef at bishopmuseum.org; engel
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Important note Re: two names online published - 
> one new species
> 
> Doug,
> 
> I'm not sure that this was at all helpful! The addition of the archive 
> info isn't date stamped (at least not for public view). Now the record 
> misleadingly looks like valid online first publication on 4 January 2016:
> http://zoobank.org/References/07554C01-DEC3-4080-A337-B1F46BC9070F
> 
> As far as I know, the print edition may not be published yet (all we 
> know is that it is the January 2016 print issue, which could be 
> published in February for all we know). So there may be no way to 
> determine the true date of availability for the new names. Even if we 
> can get a definitive date on the hard copy, this doesn't help much, unless it is on or before 4 January 2016.
> 
> Stephen
> 
> --------------------------------------------
> On Sun, 24/1/16, Doug Yanega <dyanega at ucr.edu> wrote:
> 
>  Subject: [Taxacom] Important note Re: two names online published - 
> one new species
>  To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu, "engel" <msengel at ku.edu>
>  Received: Sunday, 24 January, 2016, 7:34 PM
> 
>  I sent a note to the authors of the
>  Kinzelbachilla paper (who had not
>  been CCed before as Mike Engel had), and they said they have  fixed 
> the ZooBank record so it now includes the archive. Accordingly,  for 
> the  public record, if we follow the guideline as Rich suggested,  all 
> of the  criteria for availability have now been fulfilled for the  name in their  work.
> 
>  Most interesting of all, however, if that they disagree  regarding 
> these  two papers describing the same taxon, despite both being  from  
> essentially the same type of amber deposit:
> 
>  "By the way, it is not the same thing, the eyes, for  instance, are  
> strikingly different."
> 
>  In other words, this may not be a matter of competing for  priority,  
> after all, as Hans had originally supposed.
> 
>  Peace,
> 
>  --
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>       Entomology Research Museum
>  Univ. of California, Riverside, CA 92521-0314
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