[Taxacom] Homo sapiens

[Stephen Thorpe]

Mike,
I agree with you, except that there is an issue - namely that some people think that there is an issue! But I actually think that types aren't necessary for many recently proposed taxa. The descriptions are sufficient. The only problem is that we cannot tell in advance which of the few taxa may turn out to be problematic (in such a way that can be resolved by way of types).
Cheers,
Stephen

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On Thu, 14/1/16, Michael A. Ivie <mivie at montana.edu> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Homo sapiens
 To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
 Received: Thursday, 14 January, 2016, 12:38 PM
 
 People keep harping on
 the type issue in humans (this is far more 
 widespread than Stephen, he just raised it this
 time).  There is no 
 issue.  There is no
 extant type, if there ever was one, and because 
 there is no nomenclatural confusion to address,
 no neotype can be 
 established.  There is
 no requirement that a type exist for a 1758 
 species with no confusion.  End of story.
 
 Mike
 
 On 1/13/2016 4:33 PM, Stephen Thorpe wrote:
 > Also, given that (fossils aside) there is
 little difficulty in recognising Homo sapiens, it isn't
 a priority for redescription! The nomenclature remains
 problematic in some ways though, particularly the thorny
 issue of what, if anything is or can be the primary type.
 >
 > Stephen
 >
 >
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 > On Thu, 14/1/16, Doug Yanega <dyanega at ucr.edu>
 wrote:
 >
 >   Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Homo
 sapiens
 >   To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
 >   Received: Thursday, 14
 January, 2016, 12:18 PM
 >   
 >   On 1/13/16 3:04 PM,
 >   Thomas McCabe wrote:
 >   > More recent
 >   publications of
 >   > primate taxonomy in
 >   English available to me refer
 to Linneaus’ definition.
 >   > Can anyone direct me to
 a more recent
 >   formal
 revision?
 >   >
 >   Most
 >   species, including our own,
 have no "formal"
 >   description outside of
 >   the original
 >   description. Given that
 we've only got descriptions for
 >   
 >   fewer than 2 million of the
 10-50 million
 >   extant
 species, we've got a
 >   lot of work
 >   yet to do before we can go
 around re-describing things a
 >   second time. ;-)
 >   
 >   That being said, if you were
 to examine the
 >   descriptions, in the
 >   paleonotological
 >   literature, of *other
 species* in the genus Homo, you
 >   are likely to find that when
 those other
 >   species are
 diagnosed, the
 >   authors may
 have
 >   listed certain
 features in explicit contrast with the
 >   same features as they appear
 in H. sapiens -
 >   you could
 accumulate a
 >   number of
 formal
 >   characters used to
 recognize H. sapiens, in this manner.
 >   
 >   Sincerely,
 >   
 >   --
 >   Doug Yanega      Dept.
 >   of Entomology   
    Entomology Research
 >   Museum
 >   Univ. of California,
 Riverside, CA
 >   92521-0314 
    skype: dyanega
 >   phone: (951) 827-4315
 (disclaimer: opinions are
 >   mine, not UCR's)
 >                 http://cache.ucr.edu/~heraty/yanega.html
 >      "There are some
 enterprises
 >   in which a
 careful disorderliness
 >        
 >      is the true method" - Herman
 Melville,
 >   Moby Dick, Chap.
 82
 >   
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