[Taxacom] Intellectual rights
Richard Pyle
deepreef at bishopmuseum.org
Sun Dec 13 14:48:22 CST 2015
Sure, there are certain situations where taxonomy sneaks into nomenclature. First reviser actions are one example; as well as secondary homonymy, neotypifications, etc. (which is exactly why I said "not very relevant", rather than "not at all relevant"). But these are relative outliers (with actual nomenclatural implications) among a vast sea of subjective taxonomic assertions in literature.
Aloha,
Rich
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Thorpe [mailto:stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz]
> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 10:19 AM
> To: 'John Grehan'; 'Dr Brian Taylor'; deepreef at bishopmuseum.org
> Cc: 'taxacom'
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Intellectual rights
>
> Rich,
>
> The issue of whether or not synonymy must be published according to the ICZN
> Code is actually very unclear. One issue concerns first reviser choice of relative
> precedence in cases of equal priority. That is a nomenclatural act, and cannot
> therefore be validly achieved in non Code defined publications, making things
> potentially very messy.
>
> Cheers, Stephen
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Mon, 14/12/15, Richard Pyle <deepreef at bishopmuseum.org> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Intellectual rights
> To: "'John Grehan'" <calabar.john at gmail.com>, "'Dr Brian Taylor'"
> <dr.brian.taylor at ntlworld.com>
> Cc: "'taxacom'" <Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> Received: Monday, 14 December, 2015, 1:10 AM
>
> Websites are definitely
> not considered as "published" in the sense of the ICZN Code. There are formal
> rules established in the 2012 Amendment to the Code associated with electronic
> publication. However, this discussion concerns taxonomy, not nomenclature,
> so what the Code regards as a publication is not very relevant. The reality is
> that the whole concept of "Publish" is in flux right now (has been for a couple
> decades; and likely will be for a couple more). The advent of the internet has
> actually shifted the definition back towards its more original meaning: "to make
> public".
>
> Aloha,
> Rich
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Taxacom [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu]
> On Behalf Of
> > John Grehan
> > Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 2:00 AM > To: Dr Brian Taylor >
> Cc: taxacom
> > Subject: Re: [Taxacom]
> Intellectual rights
> >
> > That's an interesting question about
> websites being a formal publication or not. I > would not have thought so, but I
> will be interested to see what those on this list > acquainted with the code have
> to say (its probably been gone over in past > discussions, in which case I have
> lost track of that). I manage a web site for a > taxonomic group and have never
> assumed it is a publication of the form that > would require recognition for any
> taxonomic changes I might make on that web > site, and if I wanted to be sure
> of recognition I would not put it on my website > (as in the case of a proposed
> synonymy that is in the pipeline in a journal > publication, but not on the
> website until the journal article is published). But > publication or not it does
> seem less than straightforward that in your case the > authors should read and
> cite an article referring to your proposed taxonomic > change that they later
> make, raising the question of whether or not they actually > read the article
> they cite.
> >
> > John Grehan
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 13, 2015
> at 5:09 AM, Dr Brian Taylor <
> > dr.brian.taylor at ntlworld.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello
> all,
> > >
> > > I
> wonder if any of you have any suggestions as to how to deal with a > >
> publication on Zookeys where the authors claim to have separated a > >
> previously well known ³species² into being a new junior synonym of two > >
> other species. I ask this because, after examining fresh specimens, I > > posted
> that synonymization on my two websites, both archived by the > > British
> Library Web Archive, in 2009.
> The main website has been
> > > on-line
> in an evolving form since 1998. The Zookeys authors make no > > reference of
> any sort to my works.
> > > They and other researchers
> from the organisation in question, headed > > by the subject editor for the
> present instance, have published a > > number of papers in Zootaxa and
> Zookeys over the past seven years or > > so but not once have they listed my
> sites as a source of information.
> > > Many others have. In 2011, an
> author who the Zookeys writers do cite, > > wrote of my finding of the
> synonymy and had my website among his > references.
> > >
> > > In the BZN
> Discussion on Electronic Publication, March 2009, I > > previsaged this situation
> by posing the questions ³What constitutes a > > publication? Who is a
> publisher?². I note that UK copyright law the > > content of a website is
> automatically protected and does not have to > > be registered as there is no
> register.
> > >
> >
> > Thanks in anticipation of your responses.
> > >
> > > Brian
> Taylor
> > >
> > >
> www.antsofafrica.org
> > >
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