[Taxacom] the zoological code and online publications

Francisco Welter-Schultes fwelter at gwdg.de
Sat Mar 22 17:09:42 CDT 2014 

Steve has just invested much time to explain us in a brightly clear form
that publishers do have serious difficulties in recognising what an act is
at all.
Rules 1 and 2, as you suggest, David, would not help here because the help
must come previously.
The Code should be the guide which publishers would consult to learn what
are nomenclatural acts. I cannot imagine that this can be successful
without giving real-life examples.
The decision to register the act is only the second step.

Francisco


> I am sure we have been here before.
>
> the next code, as far as prospective nomenclatural acts are concerned,
> should be
>
> For a nomenclatural act to be code-compliant:
>
> Rule 1. Go to ZooBank.org and register the act
>
> Rule 2. See Rule 1.
>
> That is, through the I would be very interesting to evaluate how many
> issues relating to past events could also be fully or sufficiently
> addressed through the business rules embedded in the ZooBank software.
>
> David Patterson
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 8:37 AM, Francisco Welter-Schultes
> <fwelter at gwdg.de>wrote:
>
>> I extract from this discussion that many rules of the ICZN Code must be
>> written much more clearly in the next Code edition, with real-life
>> examples to illustrate them, and that it would be helpful to accept
>> input
>> from people like Steve to improve the service function of the Code.
>>
>> Simply saying "I have no problems, so there are no problems" cannot
>> improve the situation. Suggestions from experienced experts like Steve
>> should be taken serious.
>>
>> I regard it as a job of the Editorial Committee of the next Code edition
>> to increase the number of taxonomists and publishers who easily and
>> quickly understand the rules of the Code and take the appropriate and
>> correct actions.
>>
>> Francisco
>>
>> > I mentioned that the paper was registered by an author merely to
>> > illustrate that it wasn't a routine registration, that's all. The
>> CRUCIAL
>> > pont, as I already highlighted, is that the originally uploaded pdf
>> made
>> > no mention of the ZooBank registration.
>> >
>> > Problems don't just go away by continual denial!
>> >
>> > At any rate, the main point is that, although not perfect, Pensoft is
>> > actually one of the very best e-publishers of taxonom, in terms of
>> ICZN
>> > compliance. Magnolia Press is best, but then its chief is also an ICZN
>> > commissioner. Many other publishers don't know what the heck they are
>> > doing!
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Stephen
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: Vladimir Blagoderov <vblago at gmail.com>
>> > To: Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
>> > Cc: TAXACOM <Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
>> > Sent:
>> > Subject: Re: [Taxacom] the zoological code and online publications
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > You and Lyubo are right here, the version of March 7 does not exist
>> for
>> > nomenclatural purpose. Who registered the paper does not matter, there
>> is
>> > no provision in the Code
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Vlad
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Dr Vladimir Blagoderov, FLS
>> > Department of Life Sciences
>> > The Natural History Museum
>> > Cromwell Road, London
>> > SW7 5BD, UK
>> > Tel: +44 (0) 207 942 6629 (office)
>> > Tel: +44 (0) 207 942 6895 (SBIL)
>> > Fax: +44 (0) 207 942 5229
>> >
>> > e-mail:
>> > vlab at nhm.ac.uk
>> > vblago at gmail.com
>> >
>> > Fungus Gnats Online:
>> > http://www.sciaroidea.info/
>> >
>> >
>> > On 22 March 2014 02:35, Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I don't think you are getting it because you keep coming back with
>> > comments that are wide of the mark. I'm not going to continue to try
>> to
>> > explain to you what first reviser actions are, as this appears to be
>> > futile. Yes, the paper is registered, but by an author, not by
>> Pensoft,
>> > and, crucially, when it was first published on 7 March 2014, the paper
>> > contained no reference to any ZooBank registration (see this
>> discussion
>> > here:
>> >
>> http://biodiversitydatajournal.com/articles.php?id=1071&display_type=list&element_type=13
>> ).
>> > After I pointed this out to Lyubo, he reuploaded a new version of the
>> > paper with nominal publication data 10 March 2014, calling the
>> original
>> > version an "accidental pre-release"!
>> >>
>> >>You are correct, the rules are too complicated!
>> >>
>> >>Cheers,
>> >>
>> >>Stephen
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>From: Vladimir Blagoderov <vblago at gmail.com>
>> >>To: Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
>> >>Cc: TAXACOM <Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
>> >>Sent:
>> >>Subject: Re: [Taxacom] the zoological code and online publications
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>And why do you think I am not getting it? Synonymies are just
>> opinions.
>> >> It has nothing to do with First Reviser:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>The paper itself is
>> >> registered:
>> http://zoobank.org/References/F7C0B74A-592E-4571-9C1E-86041389C69A.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Cheers,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Vlad
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>--
>> >>Dr Vladimir Blagoderov, FLS
>> >>Department of Life Sciences
>> >>The Natural History Museum
>> >>Cromwell Road, London
>> >>SW7 5BD, UK
>> >>Tel: +44 (0) 207 942 6629 (office)
>> >>Tel: +44 (0) 207 942 6895 (SBIL)
>> >>Fax: +44 (0) 207 942 5229
>> >>
>> >>e-mail:
>> >>vlab at nhm.ac.uk
>> >>vblago at gmail.com
>> >>
>> >>Fungus Gnats Online:
>> >>http://www.sciaroidea.info/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>On 22 March 2014 01:39, Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>No, you still aren't getting it! To be valid, any nomenclatural act
>> must
>> >> be published either in print or e-only with ZooBank preregistration
>> >> (registration of work, not necessarily of act). These nomenclatural
>> acts
>> >> include new names, lectotype or neotype designations, and first
>> reviser
>> >> actions. Although synonymies are not in general nomenclatural acts in
>> the
>> >> strict sense, they may come with an associated first reviser action
>> if
>> >> the two (or more) synonymised names have equal priority. This was the
>> >> situation in the recent BDJ article.
>> >>>Cheers,
>> >>>Stephen
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>From: Vladimir Blagoderov <vblago at gmail.com>
>> >>>To: Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
>> >>>Cc: TAXACOM <Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
>> >>>
>> >>>Sent:
>> >>>Subject: Re: [Taxacom] the zoological code and online publications
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Steven, I agree, we must have a better system to access all
>> >>> nomenclatural acts. However, ICZN only requires registrations of
>> e-only
>> >>> publications where new names are proposed, in order for these naves
>> >>> became available. There is nothing in the code about registration
>> >>> synonymies
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Cheers,
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Vlad
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>--
>> >>>Dr Vladimir Blagoderov, FLS
>> >>>Department of Life Sciences
>> >>>The Natural History Museum
>> >>>Cromwell Road, London
>> >>>SW7 5BD, UK
>> >>>Tel: +44 (0) 207 942 6629 (office)
>> >>>Tel: +44 (0) 207 942 6895 (SBIL)
>> >>>Fax: +44 (0) 207 942 5229
>> >>>
>> >>>e-mail:
>> >>>vlab at nhm.ac.uk
>> >>>vblago at gmail.com
>> >>>
>> >>>Fungus Gnats Online:
>> >>>http://www.sciaroidea.info/
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>On 22 March 2014 01:24, Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>Vlad,
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Regarding the ZooKeys example, then why bother preregistering ANY
>> >>>> ZooKeys articles??
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Regarding the BDJ example, you have just beautifully illustrated the
>> >>>> exact problem! There are many kinds of nomenclatural acts, not just
>> new
>> >>>> names! Some are rather subtle, as in this case. The act here is a
>> first
>> >>>> reviser action giving precedence to one name over another, since
>> both
>> >>>> names were published in the same work, and there is no such thing
>> as
>> >>>> page priority in zoological nomenclature.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Cheers,
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Stephen
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>From: Vladimir Blagoderov <vblago at gmail.com>
>> >>>>To: Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>; TAXACOM
>> >>>> <Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Sent:
>> >>>>Subject: Re: [Taxacom] the zoological code and online publications
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Steve, sorry, I can't see any problems with the links you provided.
>> >>>> Zookeys example does not matter, since it is a printed publication.
>> In
>> >>>> BDJ there are no new available names, so there is nothing to
>> register
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Cheers,
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Vlad
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>--
>> >>>>Dr Vladimir Blagoderov, FLS
>> >>>>Department of Life Sciences
>> >>>>The Natural History Museum
>> >>>>Cromwell Road, London
>> >>>>SW7 5BD, UK
>> >>>>Tel: +44 (0) 207 942 6629 (office)
>> >>>>Tel: +44 (0) 207 942 6895 (SBIL)
>> >>>>Fax: +44 (0) 207 942 5229
>> >>>>
>> >>>>e-mail:
>> >>>>vlab at nhm.ac.uk
>> >>>>vblago at gmail.com
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Fungus Gnats Online:
>> >>>>http://www.sciaroidea.info/
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>On 21 March 2014 23:19, Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>No, Pensoft is almost but not quite perfect. Their main problem is
>> not
>> >>>> preregistering all articles on ZooBank, and thereby missing some
>> >>>> nomenclatural acts, see, for example:
>> >>>>>https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Breure_%26_Ablett,_2014
>> [Published
>> >>>>> yesterday]
>> >>>>>https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Dikow_%26_Leon,_2014
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Stephen
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>From: Vladimir Blagoderov <vblago at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>To: "taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
>> >>>>>Sent:
>> >>>>>Subject: Re: [Taxacom] the zoological code and online publications
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>No, Steven, you are wrong. Pensoft has done it properly always
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Cheers,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Vlad
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>--
>> >>>>>Dr Vladimir Blagoderov, FLS
>> >>>>>Department of Life Sciences
>> >>>>>The Natural History Museum
>> >>>>>Cromwell Road, London
>> >>>>>SW7 5BD, UK
>> >>>>>Tel: +44 (0) 207 942 6629 (office)
>> >>>>>Tel: +44 (0) 207 942 6895 (SBIL)
>> >>>>>Fax: +44 (0) 207 942 5229
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>e-mail:
>> >>>>>vlab at nhm.ac.uk
>> >>>>>vblago at gmail.com
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Fungus Gnats Online:
>> >>>>>http://www.sciaroidea.info/
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>On 21 March 2014 22:26, Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> The situation is a bit more complicated. Really only Magnolia
>> Press
>> >>>>>> (not
>> >>>>>> surprisingly, perhaps) does e-publication properly all the time.
>> It
>> >>>>>> preregisters all articles on ZooBank, and publishes only final
>> >>>>>> versions
>> >>>>>> with the date of publication clearly stated in the articles
>> >>>>>> themselves.
>> >>>>>> Other publishers make lots of mistakes, like thinking only
>> articles
>> >>>>>> with
>> >>>>>> new taxa need ZooBank pregistration, thereby forgetting about
>> >>>>>> lectotype
>> >>>>>> designations, first-reviser actions, and other nomenclatural
>> acts.
>> >>>>>> The
>> >>>>>> level of chaos has increased following e-only publication.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Stephen
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> ________________________________
>> >>>>>> From: Donat Agosti <agosti at amnh.org>
>> >>>>>> To: "taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
>> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, 21 March 2014 8:26 PM
>> >>>>>> Subject: [Taxacom] the zoological code and online publications
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> http://blogs.biomedcentral.com/bmcblog/2014/03/17/the-zoological-code-and-online-publication/
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> "The International Commission on Zoological Nomenclature (ICZN)
>> has
>> >>>>>> published a
>> >>>>>> response<http://www.mapress.com/zootaxa/2014/f/zt03779p005.pdf>
>> >>>>>> to Dubois et al.<http://dx.doi.org/10.11646/zootaxa.3735.1.1> who
>> >>>>>> have
>> >>>>>> criticised the way online journals have interpreted the
>> zoological
>> >>>>>> Code<
>> >>>>>> http://www.nhm.ac.uk/hosted-sites/iczn/code/> (the rules you
>> should
>> >>>>>> adhere to if you want to publish zoological species names
>> >>>>>> correctly).
>> >>>>>> BioMed Central's response is also published<
>> >>>>>> http://www.mapress.com/zootaxa/2014/f/zt03779p008.pdf>, which
>> >>>>>> expands
>> >>>>>> some of the points we made earlier<
>> >>>>>> http://blogs.biomedcentral.com/bmcblog/2013/11/15/>. Nature also
>> >>>>>> commented here<http://www.nature.com/news/the-new-zoo-1.14200>.
>> >>>>>> Thanks to
>> >>>>>> the 2012 Amendment<http://dx.doi.org/10.3897/zookeys.219.3944> to
>> >>>>>> the
>> >>>>>> Code, things have moved on and online journals are now
>> 'available'
>> >>>>>> for
>> >>>>>> nomenclature provided the species is registered in ZooBank<
>> >>>>>> http://zoobank.org/> and certain
>> >>>>>>  conditions<http://www.mapress.com/zootaxa/2012/f/z03450p008f.pdf>
>> >>>>>> are
>> >>>>>> met. The crux of the problem seems to be a misinterpretation of
>> the
>> >>>>>> Code
>> >>>>>> for works published after 1999 and before 2012."
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> (...)
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> "BioMed Central wants to reassure authors who have entrusted
>> their
>> >>>>>> manuscripts to us that in the majority of cases pre-2012, paper
>> >>>>>> copies were
>> >>>>>> distributed and the rules adhered to. For cases where it is not
>> >>>>>> clear if a
>> >>>>>> paper version was issued prior to the 2012 Amendment or cannot be
>> >>>>>> found, we
>> >>>>>> will apply to the Commission and request they use their Plenary
>> >>>>>> Power to
>> >>>>>> make available previously published 'unavailable' names. If only
>> >>>>>> names were
>> >>>>>> available from the electronic version of record!"
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Donat
>> >>>>>>
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