[Taxacom] the zoological code and online publications

Fri Mar 21 21:56:18 CDT 2014

I mentioned that the paper was registered by an author merely to illustrate that it wasn't a routine registration, that's all. The CRUCIAL pont, as I already highlighted, is that the originally uploaded pdf made no mention of the ZooBank registration.

Problems don't just go away by continual denial!

At any rate, the main point is that, although not perfect, Pensoft is actually one of the very best e-publishers of taxonom, in terms of ICZN compliance. Magnolia Press is best, but then its chief is also an ICZN commissioner. Many other publishers don't know what the heck they are doing!

Cheers,

Stephen

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From: Vladimir Blagoderov <vblago at gmail.com>
To: Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz> 
Cc: TAXACOM <Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> 
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Subject: Re: [Taxacom] the zoological code and online publications

You and Lyubo are right here, the version of March 7 does not exist for nomenclatural purpose. Who registered the paper does not matter, there is no provision in the Code 

Cheers,

Vlad

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On 22 March 2014 02:35, Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz> wrote:

I don't think you are getting it because you keep coming back with comments that are wide of the mark. I'm not going to continue to try to explain to you what first reviser actions are, as this appears to be futile. Yes, the paper is registered, but by an author, not by Pensoft, and, crucially, when it was first published on 7 March 2014, the paper contained no reference to any ZooBank registration (see this discussion here: http://biodiversitydatajournal.com/articles.php?id=1071&display_type=list&element_type=13 ). After I pointed this out to Lyubo, he reuploaded a new version of the paper with nominal publication data 10 March 2014, calling the original version an "accidental pre-release"!
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>You are correct, the rules are too complicated!
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>Cheers,
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>Stephen
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>From: Vladimir Blagoderov <vblago at gmail.com>
>To: Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz> 
>Cc: TAXACOM <Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> 
>Sent: 
>Subject: Re: [Taxacom] the zoological code and online publications
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>And why do you think I am not getting it? Synonymies are just opinions. It has nothing to do with First Reviser: 
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>The paper itself is registered: http://zoobank.org/References/F7C0B74A-592E-4571-9C1E-86041389C69A. 
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>Cheers,
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>Vlad
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>Dr Vladimir Blagoderov, FLS
>Department of Life Sciences
>The Natural History Museum
>Cromwell Road, London
>SW7 5BD, UK
>Tel: +44 (0) 207 942 6629 (office)
>Tel: +44 (0) 207 942 6895 (SBIL)
>Fax: +44 (0) 207 942 5229
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>On 22 March 2014 01:39, Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz> wrote:
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>No, you still aren't getting it! To be valid, any nomenclatural act must be published either in print or e-only with ZooBank preregistration (registration of work, not necessarily of act). These nomenclatural acts include new names, lectotype or neotype designations, and first reviser actions. Although synonymies are not in general nomenclatural acts in the strict sense, they may come with an associated first reviser action if the two (or more) synonymised names have equal priority. This was the situation in the recent BDJ article.
>>Cheers,
>>Stephen
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>>From: Vladimir Blagoderov <vblago at gmail.com>
>>To: Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz> 
>>Cc: TAXACOM <Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> 
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>>Sent: 
>>Subject: Re: [Taxacom] the zoological code and online publications
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>>Steven, I agree, we must have a better system to access all nomenclatural acts. However, ICZN only requires registrations of e-only publications where new names are proposed, in order for these naves became available. There is nothing in the code about registration synonymies 
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>>Cheers,
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>>Vlad
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>>--
>>Dr Vladimir Blagoderov, FLS
>>Department of Life Sciences
>>The Natural History Museum
>>Cromwell Road, London
>>SW7 5BD, UK
>>Tel: +44 (0) 207 942 6629 (office)
>>Tel: +44 (0) 207 942 6895 (SBIL)
>>Fax: +44 (0) 207 942 5229
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>>e-mail:
>>vlab at nhm.ac.uk
>>vblago at gmail.com
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>>Fungus Gnats Online:
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>>On 22 March 2014 01:24, Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz> wrote:
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>>Vlad,
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>>>Regarding the ZooKeys example, then why bother preregistering ANY ZooKeys articles??
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>>>Regarding the BDJ example, you have just beautifully illustrated the exact problem! There are many kinds of nomenclatural acts, not just new names! Some are rather subtle, as in this case. The act here is a first reviser action giving precedence to one name over another, since both names were published in the same work, and there is no such thing as page priority in zoological nomenclature.
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>>>Cheers,
>>> 
>>>Stephen
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>>>From: Vladimir Blagoderov <vblago at gmail.com>
>>>To: Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>; TAXACOM <Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> 
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>>>Sent: 
>>>Subject: Re: [Taxacom] the zoological code and online publications
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>>>Steve, sorry, I can't see any problems with the links you provided. Zookeys example does not matter, since it is a printed publication. In BDJ there are no new available names, so there is nothing to register 
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>>>Cheers,
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>>>Vlad
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>>>--
>>>Dr Vladimir Blagoderov, FLS
>>>Department of Life Sciences
>>>The Natural History Museum
>>>Cromwell Road, London
>>>SW7 5BD, UK
>>>Tel: +44 (0) 207 942 6629 (office)
>>>Tel: +44 (0) 207 942 6895 (SBIL)
>>>Fax: +44 (0) 207 942 5229
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>>>e-mail:
>>>vlab at nhm.ac.uk
>>>vblago at gmail.com
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>>>Fungus Gnats Online:
>>>http://www.sciaroidea.info/
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>>>On 21 March 2014 23:19, Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz> wrote:
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>>>No, Pensoft is almost but not quite perfect. Their main problem is not preregistering all articles on ZooBank, and thereby missing some nomenclatural acts, see, for example: 
>>>>https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Breure_%26_Ablett,_2014 [Published yesterday]
>>>>https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Dikow_%26_Leon,_2014
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>>>>Stephen
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>>>>From: Vladimir Blagoderov <vblago at gmail.com>
>>>>To: "taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu> 
>>>>Sent: 
>>>>Subject: Re: [Taxacom] the zoological code and online publications
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>>>>No, Steven, you are wrong. Pensoft has done it properly always
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>>>>Cheers,
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>>>>Vlad
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>>>>--
>>>>Dr Vladimir Blagoderov, FLS
>>>>Department of Life Sciences
>>>>The Natural History Museum
>>>>Cromwell Road, London
>>>>SW7 5BD, UK
>>>>Tel: +44 (0) 207 942 6629 (office)
>>>>Tel: +44 (0) 207 942 6895 (SBIL)
>>>>Fax: +44 (0) 207 942 5229
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>>>>e-mail:
>>>>vlab at nhm.ac.uk
>>>>vblago at gmail.com
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>>>>Fungus Gnats Online:
>>>>http://www.sciaroidea.info/ 
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>>>>On 21 March 2014 22:26, Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz> wrote:
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>>>>> The situation is a bit more complicated. Really only Magnolia Press (not
>>>>> surprisingly, perhaps) does e-publication properly all the time. It
>>>>> preregisters all articles on ZooBank, and publishes only final versions
>>>>> with the date of publication clearly stated in the articles themselves.
>>>>> Other publishers make lots of mistakes, like thinking only articles with
>>>>> new taxa need ZooBank pregistration, thereby forgetting about lectotype
>>>>> designations, first-reviser actions, and other nomenclatural acts. The
>>>>> level of chaos has increased following e-only publication.
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>>>>> Stephen
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>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: Donat Agosti <agosti at amnh.org>
>>>>> To: "taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, 21 March 2014 8:26 PM
>>>>> Subject: [Taxacom] the zoological code and online publications
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>>>>> http://blogs.biomedcentral.com/bmcblog/2014/03/17/the-zoological-code-and-online-publication/
>>>>>
>>>>> "The International Commission on Zoological Nomenclature (ICZN) has
>>>>> published a response<http://www.mapress.com/zootaxa/2014/f/zt03779p005.pdf>
>>>>> to Dubois et al.<http://dx.doi.org/10.11646/zootaxa.3735.1.1> who have
>>>>> criticised the way online journals have interpreted the zoological Code<
>>>>> http://www.nhm.ac.uk/hosted-sites/iczn/code/> (the rules you should
>>>>> adhere to if you want to publish zoological species names correctly).
>>>>> BioMed Central's response is also published<
>>>>> http://www.mapress.com/zootaxa/2014/f/zt03779p008.pdf>, which expands
>>>>> some of the points we made earlier<
>>>>> http://blogs.biomedcentral.com/bmcblog/2013/11/15/>. Nature also
>>>>> commented here<http://www.nature.com/news/the-new-zoo-1.14200>. Thanks to
>>>>> the 2012 Amendment<http://dx.doi.org/10.3897/zookeys.219.3944> to the
>>>>> Code, things have moved on and online journals are now 'available' for
>>>>> nomenclature provided the species is registered in ZooBank<
>>>>> http://zoobank.org/> and certain
>>>>>  conditions<http://www.mapress.com/zootaxa/2012/f/z03450p008f.pdf> are
>>>>> met. The crux of the problem seems to be a misinterpretation of the Code
>>>>> for works published after 1999 and before 2012."
>>>>>
>>>>> (...)
>>>>>
>>>>> "BioMed Central wants to reassure authors who have entrusted their
>>>>> manuscripts to us that in the majority of cases pre-2012, paper copies were
>>>>> distributed and the rules adhered to. For cases where it is not clear if a
>>>>> paper version was issued prior to the 2012 Amendment or cannot be found, we
>>>>> will apply to the Commission and request they use their Plenary Power to
>>>>> make available previously published 'unavailable' names. If only names were
>>>>> available from the electronic version of record!"
>>>>>
>>>>> Donat
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