[Taxacom] the zoological code and online publications

Fri Mar 21 21:28:24 CDT 2014

And why do you think I am not getting it? Synonymies are just opinions. It
has nothing to do with First Reviser:

The paper itself is registered:
http://zoobank.org/References/F7C0B74A-592E-4571-9C1E-86041389C69A.

Cheers,

Vlad

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On 22 March 2014 01:39, Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz> wrote:

> No, you still aren't getting it! To be valid, any nomenclatural act must
> be published either in print or e-only with ZooBank preregistration
> (registration of work, not necessarily of act). These nomenclatural acts
> include new names, lectotype or neotype designations, and first reviser
> actions. Although synonymies are not in general nomenclatural acts in the
> strict sense, they may come with an associated first reviser action if the
> two (or more) synonymised names have equal priority. This was the situation
> in the recent BDJ article.
> Cheers,
> Stephen
>
>   *From:* Vladimir Blagoderov <vblago at gmail.com>
> *To:* Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
> *Cc:* TAXACOM <Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> *Sent:*
> *Subject:* Re: [Taxacom] the zoological code and online publications
>
>  Steven, I agree, we must have a better system to access all
> nomenclatural acts. However, ICZN only requires registrations of e-only
> publications where new names are proposed, in order for these naves became
> available. There is nothing in the code about registration synonymies
>
> Cheers,
>
> Vlad
>
>
> --
> Dr Vladimir Blagoderov, FLS
> Department of Life Sciences
> The Natural History Museum
> Cromwell Road, London
> SW7 5BD, UK
> Tel: +44 (0) 207 942 6629 (office)
> Tel: +44 (0) 207 942 6895 (SBIL)
> Fax: +44 (0) 207 942 5229
>
> e-mail:
> vlab at nhm.ac.uk
> vblago at gmail.com
>
> Fungus Gnats Online:
> http://www.sciaroidea.info/
>
>
>  On 22 March 2014 01:24, Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>wrote:
>
>  Vlad,
>
> Regarding the ZooKeys example, then why bother preregistering ANY ZooKeys
> articles??
>
> Regarding the BDJ example, you have just beautifully illustrated the exact
> problem! There are many kinds of nomenclatural acts, not just new names!
> Some are rather subtle, as in this case. The act here is a first reviser
> action giving precedence to one name over another, since both names were
> published in the same work, and there is no such thing as page priority in
> zoological nomenclature.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Stephen
>
>   *From:* Vladimir Blagoderov <vblago at gmail.com>
> *To:* Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>; TAXACOM <
> Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
>  *Sent:*
> *Subject:* Re: [Taxacom] the zoological code and online publications
>
>   Steve, sorry, I can't see any problems with the links you provided.
> Zookeys example does not matter, since it is a printed publication. In BDJ
> there are no new available names, so there is nothing to register
>
> Cheers,
>
> Vlad
>
>
> --
> Dr Vladimir Blagoderov, FLS
> Department of Life Sciences
> The Natural History Museum
> Cromwell Road, London
> SW7 5BD, UK
> Tel: +44 (0) 207 942 6629 (office)
> Tel: +44 (0) 207 942 6895 (SBIL)
> Fax: +44 (0) 207 942 5229
>
> e-mail:
> vlab at nhm.ac.uk
> vblago at gmail.com
>
> Fungus Gnats Online:
> http://www.sciaroidea.info/
>
>
>   On 21 March 2014 23:19, Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>wrote:
>
>   No, Pensoft is almost but not quite perfect. Their main problem is not
> preregistering all articles on ZooBank, and thereby missing some
> nomenclatural acts, see, for example:
> https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Breure_%26_Ablett,_2014 [Published
> yesterday]
> https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Dikow_%26_Leon,_2014
>
> Stephen
>
>
>
>    *From:* Vladimir Blagoderov <vblago at gmail.com>
> *To:* "taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> *Sent:*
> *Subject:* Re: [Taxacom] the zoological code and online publications
>
> No, Steven, you are wrong. Pensoft has done it properly always
>
> Cheers,
>
> Vlad
>
>
> --
> Dr Vladimir Blagoderov, FLS
> Department of Life Sciences
> The Natural History Museum
> Cromwell Road, London
> SW7 5BD, UK
> Tel: +44 (0) 207 942 6629 (office)
> Tel: +44 (0) 207 942 6895 (SBIL)
> Fax: +44 (0) 207 942 5229
>
> e-mail:
> vlab at nhm.ac.uk
> vblago at gmail.com
>
> Fungus Gnats Online:
> http://www.sciaroidea.info/
>
>
>
> On 21 March 2014 22:26, Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz> wrote:
>
> > The situation is a bit more complicated. Really only Magnolia Press (not
> > surprisingly, perhaps) does e-publication properly all the time. It
> > preregisters all articles on ZooBank, and publishes only final versions
> > with the date of publication clearly stated in the articles themselves.
> > Other publishers make lots of mistakes, like thinking only articles with
> > new taxa need ZooBank pregistration, thereby forgetting about lectotype
> > designations, first-reviser actions, and other nomenclatural acts. The
> > level of chaos has increased following e-only publication.
> >
> > Stephen
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Donat Agosti <agosti at amnh.org>
> > To: "taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> > Sent: Friday, 21 March 2014 8:26 PM
> > Subject: [Taxacom] the zoological code and online publications
> >
> >
> >
> >
> http://blogs.biomedcentral.com/bmcblog/2014/03/17/the-zoological-code-and-online-publication/
> >
> > "The International Commission on Zoological Nomenclature (ICZN) has
> > published a response<
> http://www.mapress.com/zootaxa/2014/f/zt03779p005.pdf>
> > to Dubois et al.<http://dx.doi.org/10.11646/zootaxa.3735.1.1> who have
> > criticised the way online journals have interpreted the zoological Code<
> > http://www.nhm.ac.uk/hosted-sites/iczn/code/> (the rules you should
> > adhere to if you want to publish zoological species names correctly).
> > BioMed Central's response is also published<
> > http://www.mapress.com/zootaxa/2014/f/zt03779p008.pdf>, which expands
> > some of the points we made earlier<
> > http://blogs.biomedcentral.com/bmcblog/2013/11/15/>. Nature also
> > commented here<http://www.nature.com/news/the-new-zoo-1.14200>. Thanks
> to
> > the 2012 Amendment<http://dx.doi.org/10.3897/zookeys.219.3944> to the
> > Code, things have moved on and online journals are now 'available' for
> > nomenclature provided the species is registered in ZooBank<
> > http://zoobank.org/> and certain
> >  conditions<http://www.mapress.com/zootaxa/2012/f/z03450p008f.pdf> are
> > met. The crux of the problem seems to be a misinterpretation of the Code
> > for works published after 1999 and before 2012."
> >
> > (...)
> >
> > "BioMed Central wants to reassure authors who have entrusted their
> > manuscripts to us that in the majority of cases pre-2012, paper copies
> were
> > distributed and the rules adhered to. For cases where it is not clear if
> a
> > paper version was issued prior to the 2012 Amendment or cannot be found,
> we
> > will apply to the Commission and request they use their Plenary Power to
> > make available previously published 'unavailable' names. If only names
> were
> > available from the electronic version of record!"
> >
> > Donat
> >
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