[Taxacom] Rejoinder to a monster review

[Richard Jensen]

Fred,
Thanks for the clarification.  Sheldrake is just one of many who have made
such an argument.  And, given the state of acceptance of ideas, scientific
and otherwise, I don't think he can claim that the attempt to suppress
these ideas has succeeded!

Dick J

On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Fred Schueler <bckcdb at istar.ca> wrote:

> Quoting Richard Jensen <rjensen at saintmarys.edu>:
>
>  Thanks, Fred.  I am familiar with these cases.  But, while refutation may
>> be part of the process of science, refutation is not suppression.  And,
>> Sheldrake's ideas are quite well-known.  While others may not agree, and
>> may work to refute his ideas, that is not suppression.
>>
>
> * not enough context in my post - my intended point was that Rupert
> Sheldrake maintains that suppression of ideas like his is one of the dogmas
> of science, and that such suppression is one of the activities of the
> scientific establishment.
>
> fred.
> ===============================================================
>
>>
>> In the development of "science" as a way of knowing, is there explicit
>> commentary arguing that scientists should work to suppress ideas?  The
>> fact
>> that there are many instances of suppression of ideas does not mean that
>> scientists should be actively working to suppress ideas.  That, to me, is
>> an abuse of the scientific paradigm.
>>
>> Dick J
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 9:15 AM, Fred Schueler <bckcdb at istar.ca> wrote:
>>
>>  Quoting Richard Jensen <rjensen at saintmarys.edu>:
>>>
>>>  Can you please cite references for your claim that the "process of
>>> science
>>>
>>>> is...to suppress".  While I know that there are numerous instances of
>>>> movements to suppress information, I wasn't aware that such suppression
>>>> was
>>>> part of the process, at least not as I understand the process of
>>>> science.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> * http://www.sheldrake.org/ - Rupert Sheldrake, a biologist and author,
>>> is best known for his hypothesis of morphic fields and morphic resonance,
>>> which leads to a vision of a living, developing universe with its own
>>> inherent memory. He worked in developmental biology at Cambridge
>>> University, where he was a Fellow of Clare College. He was then Principal
>>> Plant Physiologist at the International Crops Research Institute for the
>>> Semi-Arid Tropics (ICRISAT), in Hyderabad, India. From 2005 to 2010 he
>>> was
>>> Director of the Perrott-Warrick project, funded from Trinity College,
>>> Cambridge.
>>>
>>> fred.
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>>> not Darwin [, whose] works manifest the activity of a mind seeking for
>>> wisdom, a value which conventional philosophy has largely abandoned."
>>> Ghiselen, 1969. Triumph of the Darwinian Method, p 237.
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>>
>
>
> fred.
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>           Frederick W. Schueler & Aleta Karstad
> Daily Paintings - http://karstaddailypaintings.blogspot.com/
> Vulnerable Watersheds - http://vulnerablewaters.blogspot.ca/
>     study our books - http://pinicola.ca/books/index.htm
>           RR#2 Bishops Mills, Ontario, Canada K0G 1T0
>    on the Smiths Falls Limestone Plain 44* 52'N 75* 42'W
>     (613)258-3107 <bckcdb at istar.ca> http://pinicola.ca/
> "[The] two fundamental steps of scientific thought - the conjecture and
> refutation of Popper - have little place in the usual conception of
> intelligence. If something is to be dismissed as inadequate, it is surely
> not Darwin [, whose] works manifest the activity of a mind seeking for
> wisdom, a value which conventional philosophy has largely abandoned."
> Ghiselen, 1969. Triumph of the Darwinian Method, p 237.
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Richard Jensen, Professor
Department of Biology
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Notre Dame, IN 46556