[Taxacom] Fwd: Fwd: Fwd: open access

[Paul Kirk]

We are all beating around the bush qouting numbers of dollars or pounds or euros or yuan ...

It's the impact factor that's the problem - 'we' are forced to publish in high impact factor journals because that is the primary metric by which our contribution is measured and at the end of the year how our justification for career advance (more pay) is decided. That is the gordian knot we must cut!

If I submit a sequence to genbank with no intention to make it public by other means (why should I - it's just a sequence) and it is used in 1000 articles next year it counts as nothing! Crazy or what?

Paul

... my last post this week :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Michael Heads
Sent: 25 October 2013 10:36
To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
Subject: [Taxacom] Fwd: Fwd: Fwd: open access

Dear Donat,

US$ 20/page is $400 for a 20 page paper. If you write three a year that's
$US1200 - every year.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Donat Agosti <agosti at amnh.org>
Date: Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 10:30 PM
Subject: RE: [Taxacom] Fwd: Fwd: open access
To: Michael Heads <m.j.heads at gmail.com>, taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu


BUT: The charge for open access in the taxonomists high profile journals (Zootaxa, Zookeys, Biodiversity Data Journal, etc.) is about USD20 per page. They are as decent, and the Pensoft journals (eg Zookeys, Phytokeys,
etc.) are among the technologically most advanced journals in the world (more than PLoS journals), and are also part of the huge PubMed and PubMedCentral, thus at par with all the biomedical journals, and archived as well.
So, Open Access publishing is not expensive in our domain, and well beyond the average.
Donat


-----Original Message-----
From: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu [mailto:
taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Michael Heads
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 11:16 AM
To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
Subject: [Taxacom] Fwd: Fwd: open access

Hi Quentin,

The study you cited found an average fee of $US 906, but their survey included many local journals. Decent international journals charge more, e.g. PLoS One is $1350, BMC Evol Biol is $2060. I've never paid page charges in my life and as I don't have one of Paul's typical research grants of half a million I certainly won't be publishing in these journals.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Michael Heads <m.j.heads at gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Fwd: open access
To: Quentin Groom <quentin.groom at br.fgov.be>


The study you cite found an average fee of $US 906, but their survey included many local journals. Decent international journals charge more, e.g. PLoS One is $1350, BMC Evol Biol is $2060. I've never paid page charges in my life and as I don't have one of Paul's typical research grants of half a million I certainly won't be publishing in these journals.


On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Quentin Groom <quentin.groom at br.fgov.be
>wrote:

> Michael,
> the belief that Open Access cost thousands of dollars is a myth.
>
> See Solomon, D. J. and Björk, B.-C. (2012), A study of open access 
> journals using article processing charges. J. Am. Soc. Inf. Sci., 63:
> 1485-1495. doi: 10.1002/asi.22673
> Although this article is closed access the abstract tells you enough.
>
> Also see a summary at http://t.co/TJURqTfmQy
>
> Regards
> Quentin Groom
>
> Michael Heads wrote:
> > 'If you look at less wealthy countries like low and middle income 
> > countries,  they really really struggle to get access and so that's 
> > a
> real
> > impediment that prevents researchers in those countries from being 
> > able
> to
> > either contribute or do world class research'. So if you charge 
> > thousands of US dollars to publish one paper that will help them
contribute?
> >
> >
> >
> > 'Even with  my brother starting the public library of science...' - 
> > so no conflict of interest there then...
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 7:49 PM, Donat Agosti <agosti at amnh.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Here is a splendid clip on open access, well worth to spend a 
> >> couple of minutes
> >>
> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5rVH1KGBCY#t=170
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Enjoy, and think about what it means for our domain
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Donat
> >>
> >>
> >>
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