[Taxacom] Reality check - lies and hate by academic fraud Wolfgang Wuster on Wikipedia!

[Dan Lahr]

Agreed, Richard and Alan have very reasonable points. It is indeed a very
particular situation.

Dan

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Daniel J. G. Lahr
PhD, Assist. Prof.
Dept of Zoology, Univ. of Sao Paulo, Brazil
Office number: + 55 (11) 3091 0948



On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 3:12 PM, John Grehan <calabar.john at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am in agreement with the general sentiment as well. I thought afterwards
> that I should have included a caveat regarding topic (although only for the
> extremes of the kind that Alan described.
>
> John Grehan
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 5:39 AM, Richard Jensen <rjensen at saintmarys.edu>wrote:
>
>> I agree with Alan.  The list moderator has responsibility and authority
>> to delete off-topic/inappropriate postings and  Alan's points are on target.
>>
>> Further, in today's litigious environment, a list moderator who allowed
>> such postings to be distributed could become the target of a lawsuit for
>> disseminating libelous statements.
>> .
>> Dick J
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Weakley, Alan <weakley at bio.unc.edu>wrote:
>>
>>> Jim has not proposed banning anyone (other than as a last resort) --
>>> "moderating" is a moderate and appropriate response to what I and many
>>> others (I am sure) consider a misuse of the list.
>>>
>>> Some of Ray Hoser's posts have raised interesting points about the ICZN
>>> (and by extension the ICN), "regulation" of nomenclature, and even
>>> "taxonomic rivalries"; I'll happily read (or at least glance at) anyone's
>>> (including his) posts that are ON TOPIC for this listserv.  Simple use of
>>> the delete button is appropriate for a string of only peripheral interest
>>> that goes on beyond one's interest level.   That is not what has been going
>>> on here, though.  There is a limit to what a listserv should and can
>>> tolerate and remain a useful vehicle for discussion of professional topics.
>>>  Australian legal cases involving the display of de-venomized snakes are
>>> not on topic, nor whether someone's daughters were allegedly treated
>>> inappropriately by police.  Hoser may or may not have been ill-used by
>>> "Wuster's gang" but the only relevant topics for this listserv relate to
>>> actual issues about taxonomy and nomenclature.  Discussions of the merits
>>> and demerits of proposals related to the ICZN are ON TOPIC, and Hoser,
>>> Wuster, and any other member should be welcome to weigh in on those,
>>> without ad hominem attacks.
>>>
>>> If members were repeatedly posting sales notices for their saleboat, or
>>> porn links, or non-taxonomically-related tirades against Tea Party
>>> Republicans, Ed Milliband, the UN, or the pope -- would anyone say "just
>>> use the delete button"?  Keeping the listserv minimally and broadly "on
>>> topic" is necessary and appropriate; it is not censorship.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu [mailto:
>>> taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Dan Lahr
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 10:36 AM
>>> To: John Grehan
>>> Cc: TaxaCom
>>> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Reality check - lies and hate by academic fraud
>>> Wolfgang Wuster on Wikipedia!
>>>
>>> +1 to John.
>>>
>>> Ignoring is superior to banning, IMHO. Not replying or not giving any
>>> attention to spammers, flammers, is also a very effective way to get them
>>> to quiet down. People need to learn to use filters, sorters, and all of the
>>> wonderful tools sitting right there inside your browser/email viewer.
>>>
>>> BUT, the owners of the list have decided, hence we should just abide.
>>>
>>> cheerio,
>>> __________________________________
>>> Daniel J. G. Lahr
>>> PhD, Assist. Prof.
>>> Dept of Zoology, Univ. of Sao Paulo, Brazil Office number: + 55 (11)
>>> 3091 0948
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 11:26 AM, John Grehan <calabar.john at gmail.com
>>> >wrote:
>>>
>>> > Raymond's main transgression seems to me) to be that he continues to
>>> > use this venue to disparage various colleagues in a repetitive and
>>> > uninformative manner. I always worry about calls to ban something
>>> > (after all the prestigious journal Systematic Biology has allowed
>>> > publications effectively calling for the banning of panbiogeography).
>>> > Rather than banning, why not use the delete button or a sorting
>>> > function? At various times subscribers on this list have got tired of
>>> > a particular topic and want the thread to end while others want to
>>> > continue. Any list is not going to make everyone happy all of the
>>> > time. There are often topics discussed at great length on this list
>>> > that do not interest me. But I do not complain about that as they are
>>> > of interest to others. So I just delete - only takes a few seconds.
>>> > There are list members who use this for some of my postings and that
>>> > is quite ok with me. Better than banning postings or burning books.
>>> >
>>> > John Grehan
>>> >
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>>
>> --
>> Richard Jensen, Professor
>> Department of Biology
>> Saint Mary's College
>> Notre Dame, IN 46556
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