[Taxacom] Reality check - lies and hate by academic fraud Wolfgang Wuster on Wikipedia!

[Gustavo S. Libardi]

Agreed, Alan... Every single word!


On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 11:53 PM, Weakley, Alan <weakley at bio.unc.edu> wrote:

> What Mark said; what Patrick said.  TaxaCom has had its tedious
> back-and-forths, but...  this is beyond all countenance.
>
> This vituperative feud is no longer in any sense on-topic for TaxaCom; it
> is way beyond any standard of professional discourse.  There was once a
> small component of it that was "on-topic" about nomenclature/taxonomy/etc.
> and issues related, but that component is now fully laid out and
> over-hashed.  Child abuse, legal cases, "Wuster's gang", hate pages,
> demands for Wikipedia action to people with no ability to so act, personal
> attacks on the ethics of ICZN commissioners...  take it somewhere else -
> TaxaCom is not the place.  Most of us on this listserv have no interest in
> this; my sympathies to the herpetological world, but it is time (past) to
> end this on TaxaCom.  Adjectives that come to mind:  boring, vulgar,
> pitiful, abusive.  Without looking into the scientific merits of
> herpetology, zoological taxonomy, and the ICZN (I am a botanist, and
> therefore these are beyond my expertise but not interest), I would observe
> the following, from the simple standpoint of debating and social
> interaction:  Wuster wins on points simply by having been quieter and more
> reasonable,  Hoser (whatever the merits, or not, of his taxonomic opinions)
> has done himself no favors in being prolifically nasty.
>
> Sorry.  Time to end this, or all of us will lose a useful venue.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu [mailto:
> taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Patrick Alexander
> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 10:14 PM
> To: 'TaxaCom'
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Reality check - lies and hate by academic fraud
> Wolfgang Wuster on Wikipedia!
>
> The sensible way to handle this is via moderation. Asking Hoser to stop is
> not going to accomplish anything.
>
> I assume James Beach at KU runs the list, as indicated on the mailman page
> for Taxacom? If so, he's the guy to contact. Banning Hoser is not just good
> for taxonomy, it's good for listservs, too!
>
> Regards,
> Patrick Alexander
>
> On 10/9/13 6:27 PM, Angelo Bolzern wrote:
> > Dear all,
> >
> > Thank you, Michael A. Ivie. That was really necessary.
> >
> > When I subscribed to the taxacom list, I thought I will get news and
> > professional discussion concerning the field I am working in. But this
> > seems not to be true anymore. Certainly I will feel bad, but I think I
> > will unsubscribe from this list if this kind of spamming is going on.
> > Please, do not use this otherwise useful tool  for personal fights
> > (camouflaged with words like 'scientific' or 'zoological code', etc.).
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Angelo
> >
> > Angelo Bolzern, Ph.D.
> > 22 E 105th Street
> > New York, NY 10029
> >
> > United States
> >
> > www.arachnodet.com
> >
> >
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> > [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] Im Auftrag von Michael A.
> > Ivie
> > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. Oktober 2013 19:27
> > An: Raymond Hoser - The Snakeman
> > Cc: TaxaCom
> > Betreff: Re: [Taxacom] Reality check - lies and hate by academic fraud
> > Wolfgang Wuster on Wikipedia!
> >
> > Yea gads, everyone, just STOP!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear all and Wolfgang Wuster in particular; Well Wolfgang, you have
> >> broken from your recent past practice of posting under fake names as
> >> you do regularly on Facebook and other places you troll and for that
> >> you deserve a little credit.
> >>
> >>
> >> Now
> >> in terms of yet more falsehoods and lies you publish here, you show you
> >> are an
> >> expert at posting half truths and material out of context.
> >>
> >>
> >> Lets
> >> correct your misinformation below:
> >>
> >>
> >> "- I
> >> have never had a court order taken out against me by Raymond Hoser (or
> >> anyone
> >> else for that matter)."
> >>
> >>
> >> The
> >> court order was taken out against your good friend Sean McCarthy and the
> >> upshot
> >> was that the website you regularly posted on "Ray Hoser Melbourne's
> >> biggest
> >> wanker" was REMOVED as a result.
> >>
> >>
> >> Are
> >> you going to deny that you ever posted there?
> >>
> >>
> >> Are
> >> you going to seriously stand by your lies below:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "- I had no connection with the website Mr. Hoser mentions."
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "- Nobody has ever made a complaint of sexual harassment against me, at
> >> Bangor
> >> University or anywhere else."
> >>
> >>
> >> Fact
> >> is complaints have been made.  Best you
> >> can say Wolfgang is that so far you have evaded being charged with
> >> anything.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "- I have never been contacted by Bill McCord's lawyers, and neither, to
> >> the
> >> best of my knowledge, has Hinrich Kaiser;"
> >>
> >>
> >> Considering
> >> I have a statement from McCord his lawyers contacted Kaiser, the first
> >> part of
> >> your statement is true and as written, the second part of your statement
> >> could
> >> also deemed true (but unlikely) as there is no way to prove otherwise
> ...
> >> nor
> >> is it relevant anyway.
> >>
> >>
> >> Your
> >> claim "McCord's work was criticised in an early draft of the Kaiser et
> al.
> >> paper circulated among a selection of herpetologists, but removed after
> >> representations from McCord and others suggested that the facts were not
> >> as we
> >> had been led to  believe."
> >>
> >>
> >> Is
> >> patently false. Fact is that Kaiser and others sent the "early draft"
> >> globally
> >> as a SPAM email.  I was not the first to
> >> publish it.  For your benefit the SPAM
> >> email by Kaiser is printed in AJH issue 14 some months after your side
> had
> >> already widely disseminated it seeking "names" and other "authors"
> (refer
> >> to the Kaiser Spam email).
> >>
> >>
> >> Wolfgang,
> >> your statement that "Had Raymond Hoser not taken it upon himself to
> >> publish
> >> that early draft in his journal without permission from its authors,
> then
> >> McCord's name would never have become publicly or googlably associated
> >> with
> >> accusations of being unscientific or unethical."
> >>
> >>
> >> Is
> >> another lie by you.  Fact is that your
> >> document, which Kaiser himself divorced himself from in 2012 (see the
> SPAM
> >> email by him), had been read by tens of thousands of people before I
> >> copied it
> >> in full and in context, for the purposes of ethical rebuttal in AJH,
> >> noting
> >> that it had been cleared as "open access" by your side.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Wolfgang you wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> "Victor
> >> Valley College (www.vvc.edu) is not a creationist institute"
> >>
> >>
> >> Is
> >> not so.  In fact if you see their own
> >> website, they advertise themselves as teaching creationism.
> >>
> >>
> >> Your statement:
> >> "Would it shock you to learn that I am not in command of Victoria Police
> >> operations from my desk in Wales?" is stupid in the extreme.  You have
> >> never been accused of this.  What you have been properly shown to be
> >> guilty of is being a party to an unlawful campaign spanning 15 years to
> >> undermine myself, my lawful education business and attack my family by
> >> whatever
> >> means you can and this includes the making of numerous false complaints
> to
> >> authorities, online petitions, wikipedia page edits under bogus user
> name
> >> "Mokele"
> >> and others, numerous Facebook hate pages where you and others plan ways
> >> and
> >> means to attack myself, my education business and family and so on.
> >> Yours sincerely - the snake man
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --------
> >> Original Message --------
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>    Subject:
> >>
> >>
> >>    Point
> >>    of View needs your help
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>    Date:
> >>
> >>
> >>    Tue, 5
> >>    Jun 2012 19:03:34 -0700 (PDT)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>    From:
> >>
> >>
> >>    Hinrich
> >>    Kaiser<chalcopis at yahoo.com>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>    Reply-To:
> >>
> >>
> >>    Hinrich
> >>    Kaiser<chalcopis at yahoo.com>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>    To:
> >>
> >>
> >>    Hinrich
> >>    Kaiser<chalcopis at yahoo.com>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear Friends,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I am acting as secretary for the purpose of neutral dissemination of the
> >> attached Point of View manuscript, put together by an international
> group
> >> of
> >> seven respected herpetological taxonomists. We send this message and its
> >> attachments to you with some urgency, and we request your participation.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> As you may know, some authors circumvent conventional scientific
> >> processes in herpetology and publicize names not for the purposes of
> >> science
> >> but for their own aggrandizement. Please view examples of this by
> >> downloading
> >> Issue 12 of the "Australasian Journal of Herpetology" at
> >> http://www.smuggled.com/AJHIP1.htm. We consider this
> >> practice unscientific, unethical, and a form of scientific fraud. If we,
> >> as
> >> professionals, stand idly by while this fraud is perpetrated, then we
> >> ourselves
> >> become complicit.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> We therefore plan to submit the attached manuscript as a Point of View
> >> to Herpetological Review, and we wish to do so with the broadest
> >> possible support from the herpetological community. To achieve this end,
> >> we
> >> hope you will take the time to read our manuscript, send us your
> comments,
> >> and
> >> let us know whether we may include your name as a supporter (in Appendix
> >> 2) or even as a co-author, should the journal feel that broader
> >> authorship can lend our article greater weight with the scientific
> >> community.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> We also hope that this issue, and maybe our ideas for a solution, will
> >> be discussed in the Annual Meetings of ASIH, HL, and SSAR at the
> upcoming
> >> World
> >> Congress of Herpetology, where we will gladly make ourselves available
> to
> >> answer questions. Please feel free to contact me should you wish to
> learn
> >> the
> >> identities of the contributors.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thank you for your time and support,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hinrich
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hinrich Kaiser PhD FLS
> >>
> >> Associate Professor, Department of Biology, Victor Valley College
> >>
> >> Research Collaborator, National Museum of Natural History
> >>
> >>
> >> Member, International Advisory Board, Foundation for Post-Conflict
> >> Development
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Your
> >> comment
> >>
> >>
> >> "If
> >> anyone still has any doubts about Mr. Hoser's truthfulness or lack
> >> thereof, I
> >> would suggest that they avail themselves of independent evidence and
> >> assessments as provided by the Australian judiciary, in particular
> >> paragraphs
> >> 34-43 of
> >>
> http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/cases/vic/VSC/2001/443.html
> >> and paragraphs 188-190 of
> >> http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/vic/VCAT/2012/264.html"
> >>
> >>
> >> is
> >> yet more lies and rubbish from you.
> >>
> >>
> >> That
> >> ridiculous judgement quoted was overturned by Supreme Court judges
> Nettle
> >> and
> >> Buchanan on 8 June 2012, who found both in my favour and also against
> the
> >> Judge
> >> who made the false and extreme comments.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Your comment "if I had anything to do with Mr. Hoser's Wikipedia entry,
> >> then I
> >> would have ensured long ago that these links feature prominently in his
> >> account." Is in fact true.
> >>
> >>
> >> Those
> >> false statements are prominent and remain on the page, even though now
> >> publicly
> >> shown to be false and discredited.
> >>
> >>
> >> Now
> >> for those others here wanting further details about Wolfgang Wuster's
> >> illegal
> >> and fraudulent actions spanning more than a decade, I suggest you go to
> >> the
> >> links above, or
> >>
> >>
> >> for a
> >> summary here:
> >>
> >> http://www.smuggled.com/scientific-fraud-wolfgang-wuster.htm
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >>> From: w.wuster at bangor.ac.uk
> >>> To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> >>> Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 22:13:53 +0000
> >>> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Reality check - lies and hate by academic fraud
> >>> Wolfgang Wuster on Wikipedia!
> >>>
> >>> My apologies for prolonging a thread that well and truly deserves to
> >>> die, but given Mr. Hoser's increasingly desperate and outlandish
> >>> accusations against me, I think I do need to set the record straight on
> >>> a few things:
> >>>
> >>> - I have never had a court order taken out against me by Raymond Hoser
> >>> (or anyone else for that matter).
> >>>
> >>> - I had no connection with the website Mr. Hoser mentions.
> >>>
> >>> - Nobody has ever made a complaint of sexual harassment against me, at
> >>> Bangor University or anywhere else.
> >>>
> >>> - I have never been contacted by Bill McCord's lawyers, and neither, to
> >>> the best of my knowledge, has Hinrich Kaiser; McCord's work was
> >>> criticised in an early draft of the Kaiser et al. paper circulated
> among
> >>> a selection of herpetologists, but removed after representations from
> >>> McCord and others suggested that the facts were not as we had been led
> >>> to  believe. Had Raymond Hoser not taken it upon himself to publish
> that
> >>> early draft in his journal without permission from its authors, then
> >>> McCord's name would never have become publicly or googlably associated
> >>> with accusations of being unscientific or unethical.
> >>>
> >>> - Victor Valley College (www.vvc.edu) is not a creationist institute
> and
> >>> does not sell degrees (and it does not award PhD degrees in any case).
> >>>
> >>> - Would it shock you to learn that I am not in command of Victoria
> >>> Police operations from my desk in Wales?
> >>>
> >>> If anyone still has any doubts about Mr. Hoser's truthfulness or lack
> >>> thereof, I would suggest that they avail themselves of independent
> >>> evidence and assessments as provided by the Australian judiciary, in
> >>> particular paragraphs 34-43 of
> >>>
> http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/cases/vic/VSC/2001/443.html
> >>> and paragraphs 188-190 of
> >>> http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/vic/VCAT/2012/264.html
> >>>
> >>> And lastly, if I had anything to do with Mr. Hoser's Wikipedia entry,
> >>> then I would have ensured long ago that these links feature prominently
> >>> in his account.
> >>>
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