[Taxacom] Reality check - attention list-serve moderator!
Mark Egger
m.egger at comcast.net
Wed Oct 9 20:24:32 CDT 2013
Seriously! Doesn't TAXACOM have a list-serve moderator that can but an end to this childish tirade of flaming??? Just ban the party/parties involved, and we won't have to read any more of this garbage...
Mark
On Oct 9, 2013, at 4:26 PM, Michael A. Ivie wrote:
> Yea gads, everyone, just STOP!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear all and Wolfgang Wuster in particular; Well
>> Wolfgang, you have broken from your recent past practice of posting under
>> fake
>> names as you do regularly on Facebook and other places you troll and for
>> that
>> you deserve a little credit.
>>
>>
>> Now
>> in terms of yet more falsehoods and lies you publish here, you show you
>> are an
>> expert at posting half truths and material out of context.
>>
>>
>> Lets
>> correct your misinformation below:
>>
>>
>> “- I
>> have never had a court order taken out against me by Raymond Hoser (or
>> anyone
>> else for that matter).”
>>
>>
>> The
>> court order was taken out against your good friend Sean McCarthy and the
>> upshot
>> was that the website you regularly posted on “Ray Hoser Melbourne’s
>> biggest
>> wanker” was REMOVED as a result.
>>
>>
>> Are
>> you going to deny that you ever posted there?
>>
>>
>> Are
>> you going to seriously stand by your lies below:
>>
>>
>>
>> “- I had no connection with the website Mr. Hoser mentions.”
>>
>>
>>
>> “- Nobody has ever made a complaint of sexual harassment against me, at
>> Bangor
>> University or anywhere else.”
>>
>>
>> Fact
>> is complaints have been made. Best you
>> can say Wolfgang is that so far you have evaded being charged with
>> anything.
>>
>>
>>
>> “- I have never been contacted by Bill McCord's lawyers, and neither, to
>> the
>> best of my knowledge, has Hinrich Kaiser;”
>>
>>
>> Considering
>> I have a statement from McCord his lawyers contacted Kaiser, the first
>> part of
>> your statement is true and as written, the second part of your statement
>> could
>> also deemed true (but unlikely) as there is no way to prove otherwise ...
>> nor
>> is it relevant anyway.
>>
>>
>> Your
>> claim “McCord's work was criticised in an early draft of the Kaiser et al.
>> paper circulated among a selection of herpetologists, but removed after
>> representations from McCord and others suggested that the facts were not
>> as we
>> had been led to believe.”
>>
>>
>> Is
>> patently false. Fact is that Kaiser and others sent the “early draft”
>> globally
>> as a SPAM email. I was not the first to
>> publish it. For your benefit the SPAM
>> email by Kaiser is printed in AJH issue 14 some months after your side had
>> already widely disseminated it seeking "names" and other "authors" (refer
>> to the Kaiser Spam email).
>>
>>
>> Wolfgang,
>> your statement that “Had Raymond Hoser not taken it upon himself to
>> publish
>> that early draft in his journal without permission from its authors, then
>> McCord's name would never have become publicly or googlably associated
>> with
>> accusations of being unscientific or unethical.”
>>
>>
>> Is
>> another lie by you. Fact is that your
>> document, which Kaiser himself divorced himself from in 2012 (see the SPAM
>> email by him), had been read by tens of thousands of people before I
>> copied it
>> in full and in context, for the purposes of ethical rebuttal in AJH,
>> noting
>> that it had been cleared as “open access” by your side.
>>
>>
>>
>> Wolfgang you wrote:
>>
>>
>> “Victor
>> Valley College (www.vvc.edu) is not a creationist institute”
>>
>>
>> Is
>> not so. In fact if you see their own
>> website, they advertise themselves as teaching creationism.
>>
>>
>> Your statement:
>> “Would it shock you to learn that I am not in command of Victoria Police
>> operations from my desk in Wales?” is stupid in the extreme. You have
>> never been accused of this. What you have been properly shown to be
>> guilty of is being a party to an unlawful campaign spanning 15 years to
>> undermine myself, my lawful education business and attack my family by
>> whatever
>> means you can and this includes the making of numerous false complaints to
>> authorities, online petitions, wikipedia page edits under bogus user name
>> “Mokele”
>> and others, numerous Facebook hate pages where you and others plan ways
>> and
>> means to attack myself, my education business and family and so on.
>> Yours sincerely - the snake man
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --------
>> Original Message --------
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Subject:
>>
>>
>> Point
>> of View needs your help
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Date:
>>
>>
>> Tue, 5
>> Jun 2012 19:03:34 -0700 (PDT)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From:
>>
>>
>> Hinrich
>> Kaiser <chalcopis at yahoo.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Reply-To:
>>
>>
>> Hinrich
>> Kaiser <chalcopis at yahoo.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> To:
>>
>>
>> Hinrich
>> Kaiser <chalcopis at yahoo.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Friends,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I am acting as secretary for the purpose of neutral dissemination of the
>> attached Point of View manuscript, put together by an international group
>> of
>> seven respected herpetological taxonomists. We send this message and its
>> attachments to you with some urgency, and we request your participation.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> As you may know, some authors circumvent conventional scientific
>> processes in herpetology and publicize names not for the purposes of
>> science
>> but for their own aggrandizement. Please view examples of this by
>> downloading
>> Issue 12 of the "Australasian Journal of Herpetology" at
>> http://www.smuggled.com/AJHIP1.htm. We consider this
>> practice unscientific, unethical, and a form of scientific fraud. If we,
>> as
>> professionals, stand idly by while this fraud is perpetrated, then we
>> ourselves
>> become complicit.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> We therefore plan to submit the attached manuscript as a Point of View
>> to Herpetological Review, and we wish to do so with the broadest
>> possible support from the herpetological community. To achieve this end,
>> we
>> hope you will take the time to read our manuscript, send us your comments,
>> and
>> let us know whether we may include your name as a supporter (in Appendix
>> 2) or even as a co-author, should the journal feel that broader
>> authorship can lend our article greater weight with the scientific
>> community.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> We also hope that this issue, and maybe our ideas for a solution, will
>> be discussed in the Annual Meetings of ASIH, HL, and SSAR at the upcoming
>> World
>> Congress of Herpetology, where we will gladly make ourselves available to
>> answer questions. Please feel free to contact me should you wish to learn
>> the
>> identities of the contributors.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you for your time and support,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hinrich
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hinrich Kaiser PhD FLS
>>
>> Associate Professor, Department of Biology, Victor Valley College
>>
>> Research Collaborator, National Museum of Natural History
>>
>>
>> Member, International Advisory Board, Foundation for Post-Conflict
>> Development
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Your
>> comment
>>
>>
>> “If
>> anyone still has any doubts about Mr. Hoser's truthfulness or lack
>> thereof, I
>> would suggest that they avail themselves of independent evidence and
>> assessments as provided by the Australian judiciary, in particular
>> paragraphs
>> 34-43 of
>> http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/cases/vic/VSC/2001/443.html
>> and paragraphs 188-190 of
>> http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/vic/VCAT/2012/264.html”
>>
>>
>> is
>> yet more lies and rubbish from you.
>>
>>
>> That
>> ridiculous judgement quoted was overturned by Supreme Court judges Nettle
>> and
>> Buchanan on 8 June 2012, who found both in my favour and also against the
>> Judge
>> who made the false and extreme comments.
>>
>>
>>
>> Your comment “if I had anything to do with Mr. Hoser's Wikipedia entry,
>> then I
>> would have ensured long ago that these links feature prominently in his
>> account.” Is in fact true.
>>
>>
>> Those
>> false statements are prominent and remain on the page, even though now
>> publicly
>> shown to be false and discredited.
>>
>>
>> Now
>> for those others here wanting further details about Wolfgang Wuster’s
>> illegal
>> and fraudulent actions spanning more than a decade, I suggest you go to
>> the
>> links above, or
>>
>>
>> for a
>> summary here:
>>
>> http://www.smuggled.com/scientific-fraud-wolfgang-wuster.htm
>>
>>
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>>
>>> From: w.wuster at bangor.ac.uk
>>> To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>>> Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2013 22:13:53 +0000
>>> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Reality check - lies and hate by academic fraud
>>> Wolfgang Wuster on Wikipedia!
>>>
>>> My apologies for prolonging a thread that well and truly deserves to
>>> die, but given Mr. Hoser's increasingly desperate and outlandish
>>> accusations against me, I think I do need to set the record straight on
>>> a few things:
>>>
>>> - I have never had a court order taken out against me by Raymond Hoser
>>> (or anyone else for that matter).
>>>
>>> - I had no connection with the website Mr. Hoser mentions.
>>>
>>> - Nobody has ever made a complaint of sexual harassment against me, at
>>> Bangor University or anywhere else.
>>>
>>> - I have never been contacted by Bill McCord's lawyers, and neither, to
>>> the best of my knowledge, has Hinrich Kaiser; McCord's work was
>>> criticised in an early draft of the Kaiser et al. paper circulated among
>>> a selection of herpetologists, but removed after representations from
>>> McCord and others suggested that the facts were not as we had been led
>>> to believe. Had Raymond Hoser not taken it upon himself to publish that
>>> early draft in his journal without permission from its authors, then
>>> McCord's name would never have become publicly or googlably associated
>>> with accusations of being unscientific or unethical.
>>>
>>> - Victor Valley College (www.vvc.edu) is not a creationist institute and
>>> does not sell degrees (and it does not award PhD degrees in any case).
>>>
>>> - Would it shock you to learn that I am not in command of Victoria
>>> Police operations from my desk in Wales?
>>>
>>> If anyone still has any doubts about Mr. Hoser's truthfulness or lack
>>> thereof, I would suggest that they avail themselves of independent
>>> evidence and assessments as provided by the Australian judiciary, in
>>> particular paragraphs 34-43 of
>>> http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/cases/vic/VSC/2001/443.html
>>> and paragraphs 188-190 of
>>> http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/vic/VCAT/2012/264.html
>>>
>>> And lastly, if I had anything to do with Mr. Hoser's Wikipedia entry,
>>> then I would have ensured long ago that these links feature prominently
>>> in his account.
>>>
>>>
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