[Taxacom] Cyanoprokaryota help

Thu Mar 14 22:20:55 CDT 2013

Addendum to last message - here is the Stanier and Cohen-Bazire, 1977 reference:

R.Y. Stanier and G. Cohen-Bazire, 1977.
PHOTOTROPHIC PROKARYOTES: THE CYANOBACTERIA
Ann. Rev. Microbiol. 31:225-274

See http://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.mi.31.100177.001301

Regards - Tony

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rees, Tony (CMAR, Hobart)
> Sent: Friday, 15 March 2013 2:11 PM
> To: 'Sergio Diaz Martinez'
> Cc: john steel; taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> Subject: RE: [Taxacom] Cyanoprokaryota help
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> Here's an early explanation of the term Cyanobacteria:
> 
> (H Dick, WDP Stewart - Archives of Microbiology, 1980 - Springer)
> 
> "... There is now evidence that the group of photosynthetic O2-evolving
> photosynthetic prokaryotes,
> previously referred to as blue-green algae (see Fogg et al., 1973)
> should be reclassified as
> cyanobacteria (Stanier and Cohen-Bazire, 1977; Stanier et al.,
> 1978)..."
> 
> Regards - Tony
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Sergio Diaz Martinez [mailto:sdiaz at conabio.gob.mx]
> > Sent: Friday, 15 March 2013 12:13 PM
> > To: Rees, Tony (CMAR, Hobart)
> > Cc: john steel; taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> > Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Cyanoprokaryota help
> >
> > Hi again,
> >
> > In addition to my last comment. Cyanoprokaryota was introduced by
> > Komárek & Anagnostidis 1999. I guess Komarek uses the term to support
> > his idea about a separate nomenclatural code. Unless i'm wrong, the
> > cyanobacteria are still included as algae in the  International Code
> of
> > Nomenclature for algae, fungi, and plants. Under this code, the name
> at
> > the rank of Division for this group must end in -phycota, (not -phyta
> > as Cyanophyta) Article. 16.3. Then Cyanoprokaryota is invalid.
> >
> > The term is used interchangeably in several works as Tony says. But
> for
> > many taxonomist the nomenclature must be clarified.
> >
> > Unfortunatelly there is no agreement, and even in AlgaeBase,  a
> widely
> > used reference, the name for this group is Cyanobacteria Stanier ex
> > T.Cavalier-Smith 2002
> > (http://www.algaebase.org/browse/taxonomy/detail/?taxonid=4305&sk=0)
> >
> > Regards. Sergio Díaz
> >
> >
> >
> > Comisión Nacional para el Conocimiento y Uso de la Biodiversidad.
> > México, D.F.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tony Rees" <Tony.Rees at csiro.au>
> > To: "john steel" <john.steel at botany.otago.ac.nz>,
> > taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> > Sent: Jueves, 14 de Marzo 2013 18:09:58
> > Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Cyanoprokaryota help
> >
> > Hi John,
> >
> > Cyanobacteria and Cyanoprokaryota can be used interchangeably, e.g.
> > see:
> >
> >
> http://books.google.com.au/books?id=CphA8hiwaFIC&pg=PA47&lpg=PA47&dq=cy
> > anoprokaryota
> >
> > In my experience Cyanobacteria is still commonly used e.g. in
> > phylogenetic trees
> >
> > (example:
> >
> http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v462/n7276/fig_tab/nature08656_F1.
> > html)
> >
> > although I could have missed a more recent trend...
> >
> > "Cyanobacteria" became prominent in the late 1970s-80s as an
> > alternative to the less phylogenetically correct "blue green algae"
> > e.g. see:
> >
> >
> http://books.google.com.au/books/about/The_Biology_of_Cyanobacteria.htm
> > l?id=zbX39nuSOMUC
> >
> > I cannot give equivalent info about "Cyanoprokaryota", maybe someone
> > else can...
> >
> > Regards - Tony
> >
> > Tony Rees
> > Manager, Divisional Data Centre,
> > CSIRO Marine and Atmospheric Research,
> > GPO Box 1538,
> > Hobart, Tasmania 7001, Australia
> > Ph: 0362 325318 (Int: +61 362 325318)
> > Fax: 0362 325000 (Int: +61 362 325000)
> > e-mail: Tony.Rees at csiro.au
> > Manager, OBIS Australia regional node, http://www.obis.org.au/
> > Biodiversity informatics research activities:
> > http://www.cmar.csiro.au/datacentre/biodiversity.htm
> > Personal
> >
> info: http://www.fishbase.org/collaborators/collaboratorsummary.cfm?id=
> > 1566
> > LinkedIn profile: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/tony-rees/18/770/36
> >
> >
> > xcellent! Thank you Sergio.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Sergio Diaz Martinez [mailto:sdiaz at conabio.gob.mx]
> > Sent: Friday, 15 March 2013 11:39 a.m.
> > To: John Steel
> > Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Cyanoprokaryota help
> >
> > i almost forgot! visit http://www.cyanodb.cz/ this page has much
> > information about cianobacteria.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sergio Diaz Martinez" <sdiaz at conabio.gob.mx>
> > To: "John Steel" <john.steel at botany.otago.ac.nz>
> > Sent: Jueves, 14 de Marzo 2013 16:35:11
> > Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Cyanoprokaryota help
> >
> > As i remember, the term was introduced as Cyanoprokaryota by KOMÁREK
> &
> > ANAGNOSTIDIS 1999. This group has been subject of diferent
> treatments.
> > Komarek propouse that they must have an independent nomenclatural
> code
> > from bacteria and plants! Maybe with the authority of the name you
> > could find more clues!
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Steel" <john.steel at botany.otago.ac.nz>
> > To: "taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> > Sent: Jueves, 14 de Marzo 2013 16:19:47
> > Subject: [Taxacom] Cyanoprokaryota help
> >
> > I have introduced cyanobacteria (as opposed to bacteria) as a
> > microscope exercise for the introduction to my plant identification
> > course as I see a growing interest in them. A student then asked me
> > about cyanoprokaryota as he had heard that was being used to
> emphasise
> > the differences from eubacteria. I had to confess not having heard of
> > the term and since then I have been having difficulty in finding the
> > source of this term and therefore the reasoning behind it even though
> > it is not infrequently used in journal articles.  If anyone can point
> > me in the right direction, I would be grateful.
> >
> >
> >
> > John Steel.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Taxacom Mailing List
> > Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> > http://mailman.nhm.ku.edu/mailman/listinfo/taxacom
> >
> > The Taxacom Archive back to 1992 may be searched with either of these
> > methods:
> >
> > (1) by visiting http://taxacom.markmail.org
> >
> > (2) a Google search specified as:
> > site:mailman.nhm.ku.edu/pipermail/taxacom  your search terms here
> >
> > Celebrating 26 years of Taxacom in 2013.
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu [mailto:taxacom-
> > > bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of John Steel
> > > Sent: Friday, 15 March 2013 9:20 AM
> > > To: 'taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu'
> > > Subject: [Taxacom] Cyanoprokaryota help
> > >
> > > I have introduced cyanobacteria (as opposed to bacteria) as a
> > > microscope exercise for the introduction to my plant identification
> > > course as I see a growing interest in them. A student then asked me
> > > about cyanoprokaryota as he had heard that was being used to
> > emphasise
> > > the differences from eubacteria. I had to confess not having heard
> of
> > > the term and since then I have been having difficulty in finding
> the
> > > source of this term and therefore the reasoning behind it even
> though
> > > it is not infrequently used in journal articles.  If anyone can
> point
> > > me in the right direction, I would be grateful.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > John Steel.
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Taxacom Mailing List
> > > Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> > > http://mailman.nhm.ku.edu/mailman/listinfo/taxacom
> > >
> > > The Taxacom Archive back to 1992 may be searched with either of
> these
> > > methods:
> > >
> > > (1) by visiting http://taxacom.markmail.org
> > >
> > > (2) a Google search specified as:
> > > site:mailman.nhm.ku.edu/pipermail/taxacom  your search terms here
> > >
> > > Celebrating 26 years of Taxacom in 2013.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Taxacom Mailing List
> > Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> > http://mailman.nhm.ku.edu/mailman/listinfo/taxacom
> >
> > The Taxacom Archive back to 1992 may be searched with either of these
> > methods:
> >
> > (1) by visiting http://taxacom.markmail.org
> >
> > (2) a Google search specified as:
> > site:mailman.nhm.ku.edu/pipermail/taxacom  your search terms here
> >
> > Celebrating 26 years of Taxacom in 2013.