[Taxacom] electronic publication in zoology: who are the biggest idiots?

Tue Jul 24 05:12:05 CDT 2012

The provisional PDF is an accepted article, but they make
it available asap. I think its a good policy as most of the authors argue
that their manuscripts stay too long "in press". Most of the publisher have
the same system e.g. Springer: Online First, Wiley: Early View etc. The
only difference with BMC is that they make NO typesetting just publish it
as it is - perhaps in the accepted format after peer review.

Its really not Chinese! As stated in a previous mail...

Cheers, PP

2012/7/24 Roderic Page <r.page at bio.gla.ac.uk>

> On 24 Jul 2012, at 10:32, Stephen Thorpe wrote:
>
> > your words are unclear ... at any rate the article in question is not at
> present certainly published (since it is effectively an "early view"
> manuscript which may undergo editing changes, which version has been
> deposited in the libraries, and when?) It is far better to keep things
> simple and stay clear, for the time being, of e-only journals for
> zoological taxonomy ... I *strongly* recommend that!
> >
> > Stephen
>
> Good luck with that. Nothing makes taxonomic look more out of step with
> the modern world than it's attitude to digital publication.
>
> Rod
>
>
> >
> > From: Gerwin Kasperek <sls2411 at ub.uni-frankfurt.de>
> > To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> > Sent: Tuesday, 24 July 2012 9:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Taxacom] electronic publication in zoology: who are the
> biggest idiots?
> >
> > Quoting Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>:
> >>
> >> Clearly, although they don't specify, the authors think that they
> >> have complied with Art. 8.6, but they have not, because because
> >> paper copies are not the form in which the article was published, it
> >> was published electronically (in the form of PDFs). It is hard to
> >> know how one can deposit PDFs into libraries, (...)
> >
> > It is not! Many libraries have recognized the challenges involved in
> > collecting, archiving and making available electronic documents, and
> > they have build electronic repositories which solve many of the
> > pertinent issues, and which provide a very good perspective regarding
> > long-term availability. Beside institutional repositories, there are
> > several subject-specific repositories for biological publications:
> > PubMed Central is widely known; another one is vifabioDOC, established
> > by the University Library Frankfurt (which has the largest collections
> > of biology literature in Germany). I suppose that at least some of the
> > five libraries mentioned by the authors are running repositories as
> > well.
> >
> >
> >> So, can we "shoehorn" this case into compliance with Art. 8.1.2?
> >> Probably not! The PDFs satisfy 8.1.2 (but fail 8.6), but the printed
> >> copies do not satisfy 8.1.2. Giving them to five libraries is surely
> >> like giving them to five friends. It does not make them "obtainable"
> >> by general public. (...)
> >
> > Here are some essential facts about academic libraries. In many many
> > countries, documents not available in one library can be ordered via
> > inter-library loan from other libraries, or can be ordered via
> > document delivery services (such as http://www.subito-doc.de/,
> > provided by numerous central European libraires). In my eyes, it is
> > impossible to do taxonomy without using services like these; one
> > reason is, a great deal of the taxonomic literature will only be
> > available in print for many years to come. Everything else is just
> > wishful thinking.
> >
> > In the case of the open access journal BMC Evolutionary Biology, all
> > articles will be archived in electronic format at PubMed Central.
> >
> > Regards
> > Gerwin
> >
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> > Dr Gerwin Kasperek
> > Virtual Library of Biology
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