[Taxacom] a question of Latin ...

[Mark Wilden]

On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Mark Wilden <mark at mwilden.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 1:19 AM, Stephen Thorpe
> <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz> wrote:
> Most of the subsequent literature refers to Prolasius advena, but some recent papers refer to Prolasius advenus ...
>
> Barry Bolton has it as Prolasius advenus: http://preview.antcat.org/catalog/1269014

I mentioned this issue to Barry, and he's going to change it to advena.

Following that in his response was a couple of particularly mordant
paragraphs on the uselessness of gender agreement on recombination. An
epithet shouldn't change, in his opinion. But he recognizes that in
this case, as a noun in apposition, its ending should not change no
matter what.

///ark

Mark Wilden
Web Applications Developer
California Academy of Sciences
www.antcat.org




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> ///ark
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> Mark Wilden
> Web Applications Developer
> California Academy of Sciences
> www.antcat.org
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>>
>> Cheers, Stephen
>>
>> From: Michael Heads <m.j.heads at gmail.com>
>> To: Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
>> Cc: Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>> Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2012 4:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] a question of Latin ...
>>
>>
>> Hi Stephen,
>>
>> It wasn't just because of that - as I mentioned, Lewis and Short's dictionary (the standard reference for later Latin) cite the adjectival usage.
>>
>> For interest, in modern times, one of the giants of botany, Baillon, wrote a great deal of Latin and made the combination Pterocarpus advenus. The famous Yale professor Othniel Marsh described the well-known fossil bird Baptornis advenus and the perissodactyl Amynodon advenus. Frederick Smith (British Museum, President of the Royal Entomological Society, Darwin correspondent etc.) named Prolasius advenus and Cabro advenus. (He was the first entomologist to publish descriptions of more than a hundred ant species that still hold validity). Amos Eaton (who taught James Dwight Dana, Asa Gray, John Torrey etc.) named the fly Telmatoscopus advenus. Vernon Kellogg, professor of entomology at Stanford for 26 years (he taught the scientist president Herbert Hoover) named the louse Rallicola adventus. Baron Karl-Robert von Osten-Sacken was the Russian consul general in New York in the American civil war, and is also known as an entomologist (he introduced
>>  the trem chaetotaxy); he named the tephritid Torymus advenus. Alcide d'Orbigny, the well-known student of Cuvier, named the foram Cibicides advenus.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz> wrote:
>>
>> well, just because you can find binomials which use advenus doesn't mean that they are correct -  it could be a common mistake ...
>>>
>>>Brown (1956) Composition of Scientific Words makes no reference to any adjectival advenus ...
>>>
>>>Stephen
>>>
>>>
>>>From: Michael Heads <m.j.heads at gmail.com>
>>>To: Curtis Clark <lists at curtisclark.org>
>>>Cc: Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>>>Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2012 2:46 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [Taxacom] a question of Latin ...
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi Stephen and Curtis,
>>>
>>>It seems to be a bit more complicated than that. In classical Latin
>>>'advena' was used mainly (only?) as a noun in apposition. It's also used
>>>this way in many binomials (e.g. the beetle Ahasverus advena).
>>>
>>>But in a great many binomials it has been used as an adjective - a quick
>>>Google search revealed genera with masculine names in plants, Coleoptera,
>>>Diptera, Hymenoptera, Homoptera, Phthiraptera, fishes, birds and mammals
>>>that include species named 'advenus'. Lewis and Short (still the standard
>>>reference for later Latin) lists 'advena' as both a noun and an adjective.
>>>
>>>So, no need to change all the names with advenus.
>>>Michael Heads
>>>On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Curtis Clark <lists at curtisclark.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/1/2012 4:56 PM, Stephen Thorpe wrote:
>>>> > Does anyone know if the specific epithet advena is unchangeable when the
>>>> gender of the genus changes? In other words, is there such an epithet as
>>>> advenus?
>>>>
>>>> It's a noun in apposition, so it would always be advena. The
>>>> corresponding adjective seems to be adventicius.
>>>>
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