[Taxacom] a question of Latin ...

Thu Aug 2 16:21:30 CDT 2012

As usual Neal is correct.  After the martinet Richard Owen went to the 
British Museum as Superintendent of the Natural History Department, he 
ordered the production of catalogues stopped. Owen was able to do this 
although theTrustees approved of them (and they approved of very little). 
These catalogues are touched on, and the molluscan catalogues are treated in 
detail, in the 2012 "John Edward Gray (1800-1875): his malacological 
publications and molluscan taxa" - Zootaxa 3214.

dick p.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Neal Evenhuis" <neale at bishopmuseum.org>
To: "Stephen Thorpe" <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>; "Mark Wilden" 
<mark at mwilden.com>; "Michael Heads" <m.j.heads at gmail.com>
Cc: <Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] a question of Latin ...

>I doubt he was paid by the number of specimens catalogued. He was a paid 
>staff member of the BMNH.
>
> The cataloguing that took place that was organized by J.E. Gray were done 
> by museum staff and had only a few persons on contract (the museum 
> discontinued contracts in the 1860s but kept Francis Walker as the lone 
> contractee). The contracted cataloguers got paid a fixed fee for 
> publications delivered by a certain time (the Trustee's account books can 
> be checked for verification and were for Francis Walker). No one got paid 
> by the specimens -- a bad rumor to help justify why someone was viewed as 
> a bad taxonomist....
>
> Get the facts straight. No need to keep perpetuating false rumors. If the 
> guy was a bad taxonomist, he was.
>
> -Neal
>
> On 8/2/12 10:09 AM, "Stephen Thorpe" 
> <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz<mailto:stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>> scribbled 
> the following tidbit:
>
> Apparently, Smith was paid by the number of specimens cataloged - hardly a 
> recipe for precision<
>
> Oh, how we have come such a long way from those days ... now we get paid 
> by citation rates! Hardly a recipe ...
>
> S :)
>
> From: Mark Wilden <mark at mwilden.com<mailto:mark at mwilden.com>>
> To: Michael Heads <m.j.heads at gmail.com<mailto:m.j.heads at gmail.com>>
> Cc: Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu<mailto:Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> Sent: Friday, 3 August 2012 5:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] a question of Latin ...
>
> n Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 10:22 PM, Michael Heads 
> <m.j.heads at gmail.com<mailto:m.j.heads at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> (The point was really that biologists in the 18th and 19th centuries knew
> their Latin).
>
> Understood.
>
> Do you have a reference for that, or a name of the source if it's a pers.
> comm.?
>
> The remark is by W.L. Brown in Ant taxonomy. 1955. In E.L. Kessel, ed.
> A century of progress in the natural sciences, 1853-1953. pp. 569-572.
> California Academy of Sciences, San Francisco. I may have misquoted it
> slightly, but not much.
>
> I came across this article when I got the job as the AntCat developer
> at Cal Academy. Before I started working there, I started reading
> Holldobler and Wilson's Ants, where they mention that "a perceptive
> and  entertaining account of the early history of ant taxonomy has
> been written by Brown" (p. 23). It was fun to be able to just wander
> up to the library at the museum and read the original article on my
> first day of work.
>
> It's opinionated overall, but Brown really opens up a can of whoop-ass
> on the British Museum's F. Smith. Apparently, Smith was paid by the
> number of specimens cataloged - hardly a recipe for precision.
>
> A small group of prominent myrmecologists trekked to the top of a
> mountain in Borneo, consumed numerous beers, and alternately read
> aloud from this article.
>
> ///ark
>
> Mark Wilden
> Web Applications Developer
> California Academy of Sciences
> www.antcat.org
>
>
>
>
> Michael
>
> On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Mark WIlden 
> <mark at mwilden.com<mailto:mark at mwilden.com>> wrote:
>
> On Aug 1, 2012, at 9:41 PM, Michael Heads 
> <m.j.heads at gmail.com<mailto:m.j.heads at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> . Frederick Smith
>> (British Museum, President of the Royal Entomological Society, Darwin
>> correspondent etc.) named Prolasius advenus and Cabro advenus. (He was
>> the
>> first entomologist to publish descriptions of more than a hundred ant
>> species that still hold validity).
>
> Smith's work was of such low quality that one myrmecological giant said
> that "it would have been better if he had never seen an ant".
>
> ///ark
> Mark Wilden
> California Academy of Sciences
> www.antcat.org
>
>
>> Amos Eaton (who taught James Dwight
>> Dana, Asa Gray, John Torrey etc.) named the fly Telmatoscopus advenus.
>> Vernon Kellogg, professor of entomology at Stanford for 26 years (he
>> taught
>> the scientist president Herbert Hoover) named the louse Rallicola
>> adventus.
>> Baron Karl-Robert von Osten-Sacken was the Russian consul general in New
>> York in the American civil war, and is also known as an entomologist (he
>> introduced the trem chaetotaxy); he named the tephritid Torymus advenus
>> Alcide d'Orbigny, the well-known student of Cuvier, named the foram
>> Cibicides advenus.
>> Michael
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Stephen Thorpe
>> <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz<mailto:stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>>wrote:
>>
>>> well, just because you can find binomials which use advenus doesn't
>>> mean
>>> that they are correct -  it could be a common mistake ...
>>>
>>> Brown (1956) Composition of Scientific Words makes no reference to
>>> anyadjectival advenus ...
>>>
>>> Stephen
>>>
>>>  *From:* Michael Heads <m.j.heads at gmail.com<mailto:m.j.heads at gmail.com>>
>>> *To:* Curtis Clark <lists at curtisclark.org<mailto:lists at curtisclark.org>>
>>> *Cc:* Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu<mailto:Taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, 2 August 2012 2:46 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Taxacom] a question of Latin ...
>>>
>>> Hi Stephen and Curtis,
>>>
>>> It seems to be a bit more complicated than that. In classical Latin
>>> 'advena' was used mainly (only?) as a noun in apposition. It's also
>>> used
>>> this way in many binomials (e.g. the beetle Ahasverus advena).
>>>
>>> But in a great many binomials it has been used as an adjective - a
>>> quick
>>> Google search revealed genera with masculine names in plants,
>>> Coleoptera,
>>> Diptera, Hymenoptera, Homoptera, Phthiraptera, fishes, birds and
>>> mammals
>>> that include species named 'advenus'. Lewis and Short (still the
>>> standard
>>> reference for later Latin) lists 'advena' as both a noun and an
>>> adjective.
>>>
>>> So, no need to change all the names with advenus.
>>> Michael Heads
>>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Curtis Clark 
>>> <lists at curtisclark.org<mailto:lists at curtisclark.org>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/1/2012 4:56 PM, Stephen Thorpe wrote:
>>>>> Does anyone know if the specific epithet advena is unchangeable when
>>> the
>>>> gender of the genus changes? In other words, is there such an epithet
>>>> as
>>>> advenus?
>>>>
>>>> It's a noun in apposition, so it would always be advena. The
>>>> corresponding adjective seems to be adventicius.
>>>>
>>>> --
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