[Taxacom] An objective observation for Taxacom members

Stephen Thorpe stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
Sun May 1 23:10:14 CDT 2011 

watch out John - I may have unwittingly started this unrest by posting 
Hawkeswood's rantings, but if some people here get the chance, they will no 
doubt add you and Ken to the Taxacom blacklist! Then they will change the ICZN 
rules to exclude Calodema, and that will be just the beginning ...




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From: John Grehan <jgrehan at sciencebuff.org>
To: Taxacom <TAXACOM at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
Sent: Mon, 2 May, 2011 3:06:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] An objective observation for Taxacom members

Jim,

Just think of General Patton's observation that if everyone is thinking alike, 
then no one is thinking.

As for repetition, perhaps you should set up your own list with stipulations 
against repetition and any other number of transgressions. Perhaps this will 
appeal to many others who will join your list for those advantages.

I'm a bit puzzled by your reference to personal defense (what does that mean?) 
and personal attack (who has been subject to personal attacks on the list?)

John Grehan

-----Original Message-----
From: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu 
[mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Jim Croft
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 8:42 PM
To: Leslie M. Adams
Cc: Taxacom
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] An objective observation for Taxacom members

You are quite right and a number of us have raised the notion of some form of 
moderation or content filtration in the past.  Both for volume and content.

The policy of the list owners/managers has been to shy away from moderation, I 
guess because taxonomists like to think of themselves as responsible, tolerant 
and free-spirited beings and a feeling that it would stifle discussion.  The 
argument goes, someone would have to do it, timezones differences would kill the 
immediacy of communication and then there is the touchy issue of who decides 
what is acceptable content.

The 'dialogue' does not worry me too much as it shows and active and engaged 
community. But the repetitive barrow-pushing and dead-horse-flogging gets a bit 
tedious and most of this type of content is best suited to a blog that can be 
referenced when/if something new is added; those who care can carry on the 
discussion there and not clutter the list with detail and personal defense and 
attack. There are some members of the list who use this approach very 
effectively.

Perhaps this could be built int the 'list etiquette' and the 'rules of 
engagement'?

jim


On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Leslie M. Adams <leslie.adams at comcast.net> 
wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am a new to Taxacom and I must admit I am a bit shocked at the level 
> of dialog I have been observing. Is there no moderator here to screen 
> out unprofessional or even offensive submissions? I am a member of 
> several other professional listservs in the field of biology/ecology 
> and I haven't seen the frequency of inappropriate banter I have witnessed 
here.
>
> Just wondering.
>
> Leslie Adams
>
> Leslie M. Adams, Ph.D.
> Plant Systematics and Community Ecology University System of New 
> Hampshire http://home.co-mcast.net/~leslie.adams/
> Home Office: 603 / 659-6177
>
> "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used 
> when we created them." -  Albert Einstein
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Hans Hallman
> Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 7:46 PM
> To: stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz; taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] more "wise words" from the "great" Dr Trevor J 
> Hawkeswood!!
>
>
> Is this even worth passing on to the listserve?
>
> Hans Hallman
>
>> Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 14:29:17 -0700
>> From: stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz
>> To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>> Subject: [Taxacom] more "wise words" from the "great" Dr Trevor J
> Hawkeswood!!
>>
>> any psychologists on Taxacom?
>>
>> ----- Forwarded Message ----
>> From: Dr TJHawkeswood <drtjhawkeswood at calodema.com>
>> To: Stephen Thorpe <stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz>
>> Cc: Dr TJHawkeswood <drtjhawkeswood at calodema.com>
>> Sent: Mon, 2 May, 2011 8:49:43 AM
>> Subject: Re: Enquiry from Calodema - The Website of Dr Trevor J 
>> Hawkeswood
>>
>> Hi there you Hawkeswood hater!
>>
>> More files are up on the great calodema website and soon theres going 
>> to
> be a
>> flood from me.
>>
>> www.calodema.com rules and theres a lot wrong with biology and 
>> taxonomy in
> the
>> world
>>
>> and as i can see many biologists are assholes
>>
>> and I shall enjoy immensely revising their works and "cooking their 
>> fat
> bodies
>> over the flames" in other words, Ill stew them in their own juices.
>>
>> Dr TJHawkeswood
>> www.calodema.com
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