[Taxacom] Derived characters (was: Evolution of human...)

[Stephen Thorpe]

there are easy cases ... like the more physically complex a character, the more likely that it is uniquely derived


From: "Don.Colless at csiro.au" <Don.Colless at csiro.au>
To: sevragorgia at gmail.com
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Sent: Wednesday, 10 August 2011 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Derived characters (was: Evolution of human...)

I'm afraid that Don doesn't know the answer, except by reading it off (as an estimate) from an already accepted cladogram.

Donald H. Colless
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Sent: 10 August 2011 05:02
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Subject: [Taxacom] Derived characters (was: Evolution of human...)

Hi,

I would also like to know the answer, Don knows it already (apparently)
but I don't think the rest of us do.

So, How do you "demonstrate" that a character is "derived"?

I would also like to know how does restricting the data matrix to
characters exclusive to the ingroup affect the outcome of the analysis,
and whether this introduces a bias or not. If I am not wrong the only
problem with characters shared between the ingroup and the outgroups is
that the polarity of this particular character would be equivocal, but
the character it self could be used for phylogenetic inference.

txn

sergio

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