[Taxacom] Why Taxonomy does NOT matter

[Lyn.Craven at csiro.au]

What is the point of knowing the "expressed properties of an individual" if one does not have a taxonomic structure such that the identity of the individual can be communicated to others? 

Regards, Lyn


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From: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Dave Roberts
Sent: Monday, 18 April 2011 9:07 PM
To: Fabian Haas
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Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Why Taxonomy does NOT matter

Dear Fabian,

I pitched a similar question to a group discussing databasing recently.  How badly would you have to corrupt the taxonomic fields of a data-set before you changed the fundamental conclusion of an analysis in any field other than taxonomy itself?

In practical terms, this means fields like conservation strategies, detecting global change and environmental monitoring.  After much sucking of teeth the conclusion was 'quite a lot'.  In other words taxonomic accuracy as currently practiced seems to be quite a lot of unnecessary effort.

Invert the question and ask for an example of a real-world, non-taxonomic problem domain that requires the kind of species accuracy that we presently demand to satisfy taxonomic standards?  It has always seemed to me that in the real world phenotype matters, i.e. the expressed properties of an individual.

Cheers,  Dave
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On 18 Apr 2011, at 09:48, Fabian Haas wrote:

> Dear Colleagues,
> 
> my apologies for the subject of this email, but I thing I have your 
> attention. I am a taxonomist myself, and working a lot to make 
> taxonomy matter on various plat forms, so no need to convince me about 
> the importance of taxonomy.
> 
> What I am trying to find out i , why we seemingly have not succeeded 
> in gathering more support for taxonomy in the last 10 yrs or so? 
> Although we have high political support for the CBD, a variety of 
> interesting projects, like EOL and GBIF, and many other plat forms 
> distributing taxonomic information. These success have little 
> contributed -in my
> opinion- to improve funding for the production of taxonomic knowledge.
> 
> Instead of lamenting again, and preaching to the converted, I would 
> like to find out, why the donors dont seem to react, what are their 
> reasons not to fund taxonomic work, at all, or at a level would be 
> useful. So I am looking for their reasons, why they dont seem to 
> receive our message that we need to taxonomy. And also why taxonomic 
> aspects are often deleted form projects when money becomes tight, more 
> often than other section. Taxonomy seems expensible.
> 
> I do have some suspicions, like they dont know what it is, they simply 
> dont like the topic, they think everything is known, they thing we 
> dont need it anyways, its a public good and so available, taxonomy 
> would be complete, etc.
> 
> I will certainly try to talk the donors informally to find out what 
> they think, but what I would like to ask this community, if you have 
> any first hand experience, first hand statements on that. I will treat 
> all information confidential if wished, and keep informant and, more 
> importantly donor, anonymously. It is not about blaming someone, but I 
> would like to better understand their perspective, with the ultimate 
> goal to improve our communication strategy, and better address them. 
> We did work a lot on our/taxonomist communication and I believe all 
> the necessary answers are ready, collected by BioNET etc, but this 
> change of perspective -ask the listeners why they dont listen- seems worth wile to me.
> 
> So Why does Taxonomy NOT matter??
> 
> Best & Looking forward to hearing from you!
> 
>  Fabian
> 
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