[Taxacom] Sorry, but you are out-of-line

[Felix Sperling]

Chris:

Whoa there! I have been quietly following this debate with great interest and I don't see how Doug has attacked anyone's intelligence. That is your inference, and not the interpretation that I take from Doug's words.

Missing a point does not mean that someone is unintelligent. There are other explanations, such as coming from completely different logical foundations or simply being set in one's ways or in a particular paradigm. Many reasonable, respectable, intelligent people are stuck in particular mental frameworks. 

I'm learning from this discussion. Doug's impassioned defence of "banks" and registries is starting to sound more reasonable to me with every rendition, even though I also, like Steve and others, feel a sense of resistance to this fundamentally different view of community responsibility for taxonomy. I for one am glad to see an ICZN commissioner who is so much into the larger conceptual framework instead of just the application of all the rules. Doug reminds me a bit of you, Chris. 

Felix Sperling

On 2010-11-13, at 3:07 PM, Chris Thompson wrote:

> Doug:
> 
> I spent many years on various international organizations and committees. 
> And while I frequently disagreed with my colleagues, I never publically 
> attacked their intelligence and merely accepted that we had different 
> paradigms or view points.
> 
> I am sorry, but you owe Steve an apology.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Chris Thompson
> 
> a former ICZN Commissioner / ICZN editorial member / etc.
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Stephen Gaimari
> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 2:12 PM
> To: Doug Yanega ; TAXACOM at MAILMAN.NHM.KU.EDU ; iczn-list at afriherp.org
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] FW: ICZN procedure question
> 
>> This is precisely the kind of thing that makes me saddest of all; a
>> perfectly reasonable, respectable person who should be on our side,
>> but has so completely missed the fundamental argument that they
>> resist - and in doing so, may convince *others* to resist.
> 
> Now wait just a minute Doug. You are an ICZN Commissioner and you are saying 
> such things? Are you suggesting that your colleagues who don't agree with 
> you are unreasonable and unrespectable? Do you really think people don't 
> *get* the fundamental argument? Guess what? People do get the fundamental 
> argument, and some disagree with your and others conclusions and point of 
> view. I am disturbed that you now use such rhetoric of which "side" one is 
> on - this to me does not bode well for any upcoming discussions among 
> Commissioners on this issue, as there now seems to be this fractionated 
> us-versus-them mentality. I just hope that the Commissioners are carefully 
> considering what the majority of their constituency are saying. We are all 
> on the "side" of zoological taxonomy - that is where our passion and our 
> loyalty lay. Your emotional state is irrelevant to what is best for zoology. 
> You seem to think that disagreement is somehow personal - it is the farthest 
> thing from personal. Some people just do not see the world as you see it, 
> and they are perfectly reasonable and respectable people.
> 
> Not quoting the section, but the whole money under the mattress versus bank 
> analogy falls apart right away. Publishing on paper is nothing like putting 
> money under the mattress, and e-only publication is nothing like putting 
> money in the bank. These two things could not be farther from each other is 
> trying to work an analogy.
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