[Taxacom] Objective synonyms?

[Stephen Thorpe]

another go at this:

Geoff said:

>Stephen again:
>"It makes NO SENSE to say that Aus bus and Cus bus are objective synonyms
>because they are homotypic, unless Aus and Cus are objective synonyms ..."

>>Nonsense.  Divorce thinking about the species from thinking about the
>>genus definition. Even if the new genus placement is very wrong the names
>>are still objective synonyms

I don't disagree that bus and bus are objective synonyms (trivially, because they are the same name), but I do disagree that Aus bus and Cus bus are objective synonyms, when they differ only on the basis of subjective generic placement. Whether you want to think of them as "synonyms" (as opposed to objective synonyms) is entirely up to you ...

Stephen




________________________________
From: Geoffrey Read <gread at actrix.gen.nz>
To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
Sent: Sat, 29 May, 2010 5:44:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Objective synonyms?

Before this gets really ridiculous.

Synonyms in zoology include the original name and the recombinations. 
This is rather a downgrading of the original name, but never mind, it's a
synonym.

> Those examples are not synonyms, they are just different treatments
> (combinations) of the same name.  They have the same exact type,
> authorship and date of availability.  Synonyms are DIFFERENT names for the

> Mike Ivie
>
>> On 5/28/2010 7:28 PM, Stephen Thorpe wrote:

>>> thing is for sure, that there aren't any universally
>>> agreed definitions (in ICZN at least) for what counts as a synonym.

Yes there are.

Stephen again:
"It makes NO SENSE to say that Aus bus and Cus bus are objective synonyms
because they are homotypic, unless Aus and Cus are objective synonyms ..."

Nonsense.  Divorce thinking about the species from thinking about the
genus definition. Even if the new genus placement is very wrong the names
are still objective synonyms.

Geoff





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