[Taxacom] Quick question re formation of a family-group name

Tue Dec 21 10:25:36 CST 2010

The Greek in the message below refers to "the smaller cuttlefish". It is 
derived from the word for larger cuttlefish which has different terminal 
elements.  Find an old Greek-English Lexicon.

dick p.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Garland, Mark - Greensboro, NC" <mark.garland at gnb.usda.gov>
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Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Quick question re formation of a family-group name

> Folks,
>
> Not that it makes a difference, but for your information: the stem of 
> words ending in -is doesn't have to be id-, but in both of these cases it 
> is.
>
> The first, Pericelis, seems to have the Greek feminine word "kelis" (spot, 
> stain, blemish) as its last element, and its stem is kelid- (Liddell & 
> Scott dictionary entry: κηλίς, ῖδος, ἡ).
>
> The second examples have the Greek feminine word "teuthis" (cuttlefish, 
> squid) as their last element, and its stem is teuthid- (Liddell & Scott 
> dictionary entry: τευθίς, ίδος, ἡ).
>
> Mark A. Garland
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu 
> [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of 
> Tony.Rees at csiro.au
> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 9:57 PM
> To: stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz; dyanega at ucr.edu; 
> TAXACOM at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Quick question re formation of a family-group name
>
> Stephen, I think you are missing something (my latin is not good enough), 
> but -id is the latin stem for genera ending in -is I think, therefore the 
> squids are the same case as the flatworm, I believe.
>
> Cheers - Tony
>
> ________________________________
> From: Stephen Thorpe [mailto:stephen_thorpe at yahoo.co.nz]
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 December 2010 1:55 PM
> To: Doug Yanega; TAXACOM at MAILMAN.NHM.KU.EDU
> Cc: Rees, Tony (CMAR, Hobart)
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Quick question re formation of a family-group name
>
>>The names "Pericelidae" and "Pericelididae" *are* formed in accordance 
>>with Art. 29.3 (either is allowed)
>
> True (thanks to 29.3.1.1), but the -teuthis ones (and any other non -id 
> cases) certainly aren't ...
>
> so, I was right the first time (Art. 29.5 put me wrong)
>
> to recap:
>
> Pericelidae is the original spelling (i.e., elided)
>
> so, by Art. 29.3.1.1, the correct spelling depends on "prevailing usage" 
> (primary taxonomic publications only, or Google hits?)
>
> if "prevailing usage" is elided then correct spelling is Pericelidae
>
> if "prevailing usage" is unelided then correct spelling is Pericelididae
>
> are we any further to knowing what the correct spelling is?
>
> Stephen
>
> ________________________________
> From: Doug Yanega <dyanega at ucr.edu>
> To: TAXACOM at MAILMAN.NHM.KU.EDU
> Sent: Tue, 21 December, 2010 2:35:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Quick question re formation of a family-group name
>
> Stephen Thorpe wrote:
>
>>we seem to have a communication breakdown over this issue!
>>
>>again I refer you both to:
>>
>>29.5. Maintenance of current spellings. If a spelling of a
>>family-group name was not formed in accordance with Article 29.3 but
>>is in prevailing usage, that spelling is to be maintained, whether
>>or not it is the original spelling and whether or not its derivation
>>from the name of the type genus is in accordance with the
>>grammatical procedures in Articles 29.3.1 and 29.3.2.
>
> The names "Pericelidae" and "Pericelididae" *are* formed in
> accordance with Art. 29.3 (either is allowed).
>
> Art. 29.5 only applies to cases where they are NOT, e.g., if the name
> had been spelled "Pericelisidae".
>
> Peace,
> --
>
> Doug Yanega        Dept. of Entomology        Entomology Research Museum
> Univ. of California, Riverside, CA 92521-0314        skype: dyanega
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