[Taxacom] hominid challenge

Tue Sep 22 09:15:21 CDT 2009

And if no one does come forward, then you can stand up
on your hind legs, having won, and thump on your winning
chest? Ohhhh boy!

Historically, and almost always, very simple-seeming questions
invariably have very complicated answers.

[Those are my 3 contributions for the day.  Thank you.]

Robin

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Grehan" <jgrehan at sciencebuff.org>
To: "Taxacom" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 7:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Taxacom] hominid challenge

Whether anyone wants to front up with the evidence or not is up to them. 
This is a very simple question and there are people on this list who are 
convinced that the chimpanzee theory of relationship is correct so it should 
be no hardship to cite the set of uniquely shared characters for humans, 
fossil hominids, and chimpanzees. But I'm betting that no one will be able 
to.

John Grehan

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robin Leech [mailto:releech at telus.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 9:15 AM
> To: John Grehan; Taxacom
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] hominid challenge
>
> I don't think so, John.  This is not a symposium or conference,
> and most people will not rise to give formal, integrated evidence
> in the Taxacom Forum.
> You will get answers only from those you have been debating
> with already on Taxacom.
> Robin
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Grehan" <jgrehan at sciencebuff.org>
> To: "Taxacom" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 6:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] hominid challenge
>
>
> Well...it will prove whether or not supporters of the chimpanzee theory
> can
> integrate the systematic evidence for placing fossil hominids closer to
> chimpanzees (along with humans) than anything else. Since the chimpanzee
> theory supporters more or less view it as an established fact I don't
> think
> I am asking too much for a coherent theory of relationship that includes
> the
> fossil hominids.
>
> John Grehan
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu [mailto:taxacom-
> > bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Robin Leech
> > Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 12:05 PM
> > To: Jason Mate; Taxacom
> > Subject: Re: [Taxacom] hominid challenge
> >
> > And all this will prove just exactly what?
> > Robin
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jason Mate" <jfmate at hotmail.com>
> > To: "Taxacom" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> > Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 2:45 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Taxacom] hominid challenge
> >
> >
> >
> > Not rock solid, just waiting (still) for the articles. Send them, then
> we
> > can email till our quota is filled.
> > I am all for 3 emails per day, although I´ll stick with 2 emails.
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Jason
> >
> > > Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 15:48:00 -0400
> > > From: jgrehan at sciencebuff.org
> > > To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> > > Subject: [Taxacom] hominid challenge
> > >
> > > Here's a challenge to all list members who are rock solid on the
> > > chimpanzee theory of human origin, especially any who teach that
> > > doctrine to students.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > What evidence do supporters of the chimpanzee theory present for the
> > > inclusion of early fossil hominids (australopiths) within a
> > > human-chimpanzee clade? This is not a question about characters
> > > supporting the monophyly of humans and fossil hominids, but characters
> > > that support a human-fossil hominid-chimpanzee clade. How many
> > > characters and what are they?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > This is also not a question about molecular evidence since molecular
> > > evidence cannot apply to most of the hominid fossil evidence. I look
> > > forward to seeing that definitive evidence on this list, especially
> from
> > > those who are so cavalier about dismissing the orangutan evidence.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > John Grehan
> > >
> > >
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