[Taxacom] hominid challenge

[John Grehan]

Well...it will prove whether or not supporters of the chimpanzee theory can integrate the systematic evidence for placing fossil hominids closer to chimpanzees (along with humans) than anything else. Since the chimpanzee theory supporters more or less view it as an established fact I don't think I am asking too much for a coherent theory of relationship that includes the fossil hominids.

John Grehan


> -----Original Message-----
> From: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu [mailto:taxacom-
> bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Robin Leech
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 12:05 PM
> To: Jason Mate; Taxacom
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] hominid challenge
> 
> And all this will prove just exactly what?
> Robin
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jason Mate" <jfmate at hotmail.com>
> To: "Taxacom" <taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu>
> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 2:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] hominid challenge
> 
> 
> 
> Not rock solid, just waiting (still) for the articles. Send them, then we
> can email till our quota is filled.
> I am all for 3 emails per day, although I´ll stick with 2 emails.
> 
> Best
> 
> Jason
> 
> > Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 15:48:00 -0400
> > From: jgrehan at sciencebuff.org
> > To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> > Subject: [Taxacom] hominid challenge
> >
> > Here's a challenge to all list members who are rock solid on the
> > chimpanzee theory of human origin, especially any who teach that
> > doctrine to students.
> >
> >
> >
> > What evidence do supporters of the chimpanzee theory present for the
> > inclusion of early fossil hominids (australopiths) within a
> > human-chimpanzee clade? This is not a question about characters
> > supporting the monophyly of humans and fossil hominids, but characters
> > that support a human-fossil hominid-chimpanzee clade. How many
> > characters and what are they?
> >
> >
> >
> > This is also not a question about molecular evidence since molecular
> > evidence cannot apply to most of the hominid fossil evidence. I look
> > forward to seeing that definitive evidence on this list, especially from
> > those who are so cavalier about dismissing the orangutan evidence.
> >
> >
> >
> > John Grehan
> >
> >
> >
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