[Taxacom] Scientific name vs Scientific name string

Mon Nov 23 13:56:46 CST 2009

I think these are valuable thoughts, but I realized that part of Dima's post
was to demonstrate how

this
http://biodiversity.stackexchange.com/questions/5/what-is-the-difference-between-scientific-name-string-and-scientific-name-ter

would be useful.

So I am moving any further comments to the Biodiversity StackExchange.

- Pete

On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Richard Pyle <deepreef at bishopmuseum.org>wrote:

>
> I have to admit that I'm a bit unclear on where this thread is going.  Are
> we simply trying to come up with a new set of terms to help remove
> ambiguity
> in our conversations?  If so, I'd suggest that we start with the glossary
> here:
>
> http://wiki.tdwg.org/twiki/bin/view/UBIF/LinneanCoreDefinitions
>
> ...and refine/expand as needed.
>
> Or, are we specifically trying to facilitate communication and/or data
> presentation from electronic indexes and other taxonomic databases (i.e.,
> the markup tags people have been proposing)?
>
> In either case, many of us have begun using the term "Protonym" to refer to
> what Wolfgang describes as "UNAS" below. "Unique Name Anchor Strings" isn't
> really good for this purpose because they are not unique (homonyms), and
> they imply more than just "strings" (i.e., they are more in the "data
> object" end of the specrum, not the "sequence of text characters" end of
> the
> spectrum).
>
> Granted, the word "Protonym" (defined as "The first person or thing of the
> name; that from which another is named.") has at one time been used with a
> different meaning within the fungi community (see comment by F. Bungartz on
> the LinneanCoreDefinitions page linked above).  However, Paul Kirk has
> assured me that this definition is not widespread, and that the word
> "Protonym" is more appropriate in the context described here.
>
> Aloha,
> Rich
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> > [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of
> > Wolfgang Lorenz
> > Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 3:32 AM
> > To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> > Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Scientific name vs Scientific name string
> >
> > Dear all,
> > Peter asked "Maybe someone can make a proposal, or describe
> > what they use?"
> >
> > Let me expand the topic a bit by asking: What are we doing
> > with names in databases?
> >
> > First, we want to store information that we get from primary
> > or secondary sources (specimen labels, literature, databases,
> > web pages, observation notes...). Names attached as accepted
> > names to such information can be termed "chresonyms" (in a
> > wide sense), or "VerbatimNameUsage".
> > I would enter such names as verbatim as possible while, of
> > course, they need to be readable. For example, when a species
> > name is cited as an epithet only, but the genus is mentioned
> > in the publication title, the implied complete binomen should
> > be entered. Author and date can be entered verbatim, if
> > given. Some databasers might want to annotate the corrected
> > spelling of a misspelled name, but this should be made explicit.
> >
> > Second, we need to interpret names entered from data sources,
> > so we need our own accepted set (or alternative sets) of
> > names. The best we can do here is stay with perfectly
> > Code-compliant names based on up-to-date classifications.
> > Such names do not include author and year, but as an
> > additional information (e.g., in a separate data field) such
> > info is often very useful.
> >
> > Error-free interpretation of all names is very much a
> > handwork of the taxon specialist, so far.
> > Misspellings and misapplied names are not the only impediment
> > for automated interpretation. One more reason is the
> > considerable number of species-group names that are
> > alternative generic combinations. Such (mainly zoological)
> > names are not easily found, even in many recent catalogues.
> > Biodiversity informaticians are seeking to develop tools that
> > can, at least, perform a reasonable pre-interpretation. In my
> > opinion, there is a way to support development of such tools,
> > - and I have already mentioned the idea in previous postings:
> >
> > It's because each available taxonomic name has an "anchor"
> > name, that is the binomen attached to the type material.
> > Hence, Unique Name Anchor Strings (UNAS if you like) can be
> > given for each name that is governed by the Code.
> >
> > So, in summary, we could have the following,
> > e.g.:
> >
> > <VerbatimNameUsage>Idiochroma dorsale Pont.</VerbatimNameUsage>
> >
> > <AcceptedName>Anchomenus dorsalis</AcceptedName>
> > <AcceptedNameAuthorDate> Anchomenus dorsalis (Pontoppidan,
> > 1763)</AcceptedNameAuthorDate>
> >
> > ... and the complete inventary of "UNAS" for the above
> > example would read something like:
> > <UNAS>ZS-Carabus_dorsalis</UNAS>
> > <UNAS>ZS-Carabus_dorsalis/Idiochroma_dorsale</UNAS>
> > <UNAS>ZS-Carabus_dorsalis/Platynus_dorsalis</UNAS>
> > <UNAS>ZS-Carabus_dorsalis/Agonum_dorsale</UNAS>
> > <UNAS>ZS-Carabus_dorsalis/Anchomenus_dorsalis</UNAS>
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Wolfgang
> > -------------------------------------------
> >
> > Wolfgang Lorenz, Tutzing, Germany
> >
> >
> >
> > 2009/11/22 Peter DeVries <pete.devries at gmail.com>
> >
> > > Maybe someone can make a proposal, or describe what they use?
> > >
> > > Not a rule that everyone has to follow, but a suggested form that
> > > people can use in conversation and when naming their
> > database fields.
> > >
> > > So what so you call these forms of the name:
> > >
> > > Puma concolor (Linnaeus, 1771)
> > > Felis concolor Linnaeus, 1771
> > >
> > > and what do you call these forms of the name:
> > >
> > > Puma concolor
> > > Felis concolor
> > >
> > > So they can be properly understood in conversation and in this form
> > >
> > > <whatevernameforthis>Puma concolor (Linnaeus,
> > > 1771)</whatevernameforthis>
> > >
> > > <whatevernameforthis>Felis concolor</whatevernameforthis>
> > >
> > > - Pete
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 5:04 AM, Dmitry Mozzherin
> > <dmozzherin at eol.org
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > I would like to illustrate how Biodiversity Q/A works,
> > and also get
> > > > a
> > > clear
> > > > clear understanding of terms used in GNI. What is the difference
> > > > between 'Scientific name' and 'Scientific name string'?
> > > >
> > > > Here is the question in full:
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > http://biodiversity.stackexchange.com/questions/5/what-is-the-differen
> > > ce-between-scientific-name-string-and-scientific-name-ter
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > Dima
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