[Taxacom] progress on globalnames.org

Wed May 13 16:24:40 CDT 2009

Whoops!
The example should have read (no .xml)

For example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ochlerotatus_triseriatus foaf:topic
http://globalnames.org/name_strings/5719254<http://globalnames.org/name_strings/5719254.xml>

- Pete

On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Peter DeVries <pete.devries at gmail.com>wrote:

> The globalnames.org project looks great.
> I was wondering if you would be able to extend it a little bit by exposing
> the data as RDF.
>
> So in addition to these:
>
>     http://globalnames.org/name_strings/{id}.xml<http://globalnames.org/name_strings/%7Bid%7D.xml>
>
>     http://globalnames.org/name_strings/{id}.json<http://globalnames.org/name_strings/%7Bid%7D.json>
>
>     http://globalnames.org/name_strings/{id}<http://globalnames.org/name_strings/%7Bid%7D>
>
>     http://globalnames.org/name_strings/{id}.rdf<http://globalnames.org/name_strings/%7Bid%7D.rdf>  <-
> Add
>
> The site appears is written in rails so this should be fairly straight
> forward.
>
> The way this would be interpreted on the semantic web is:
>
> This would be considered the identifier for the name
>
> http://globalnames.org/name_strings/{id}<http://globalnames.org/name_strings/%7Bid%7D>
>
> This would be for RDF data about that name
>
> http://globalnames.org/name_strings/{id}.rdf<http://globalnames.org/name_strings/%7Bid%7D.rdf>
>
> Why do this?
>
> Because it will allow those creating web documents (html, rdfa, rdf) to
> make the following statement about their document.
>
> this page  foaf:topic http://globalnames.org/name_strings/{id}<http://globalnames.org/name_strings/%7Bid%7D>
>
> For example:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ochlerotatus_triseriatus foaf:topic
> http://globalnames.org/name_strings/5719254.xml
>
> This would allow EOL, Google, Yahoo and others to recognize that a page is
> about a particular species (name)
>
> * There are other advantages, but I thought I would keep to simple
> examples.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> - Pete
>
>
> On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 3:55 PM, David Patterson <dpatterson at eol.org>wrote:
>
>> The reason for suggesting a decade or so is not because of technological
>> constraints. The architecture and tools are being assembled today.
>>  Agencies
>> such as GBIF, EOL, nomenclators and the like can and do invest in a
>> semantic
>> names architecture, and through a variety of workshops dozens of skilled
>> bio-informaticians have contributed their wisdom and enthusiasm.
>>
>> Rather, the rate of progress to achieving a comprehensive, authoritative,
>> and effective names architecture is all about political will, and the
>> social
>> challenges of engaging all of the key players rather than having to
>> reinvent
>> wheels, and the relocation of resources to finance the transformation.
>>
>> There is no difficulty to embed, say, the names of Australia's biota
>> within
>> this architecture within much less than two years, and for a very small
>> fraction of the $30M.  The challenge is extend this to the full spectrum
>> of
>> our needs inclusive of the quality and authority we seek.
>>
>> I would rather not defend the decadal statement, but my experiences over
>> the
>> last 9 years suggest that this is realistic.  If we can mobilize
>> enthusiasm,
>> resources to achieve a comprehensive names architecture within the next
>> few
>> years, I for one would be delighted - because then we can get back to the
>> real biology.
>>
>> Paddy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>> [mailto:taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu] On Behalf Of Jim Croft
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:17 AM
>> To: Roderic Page
>> Cc: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
>> Subject: Re: [Taxacom] progress on globalnames.org
>>
>> Yesterday $30million was flagged in the Australian budget to enhance
>> the Atlas of Living Australia, over two (!) years.  I  would be very
>> surprised indeed if a major push on a list of known taxa and their
>> names and associated information is not going to be a major part of
>> this.
>>
>> Decadal time scales are no really going to cut it with governments who
>> need something to show within a single electoral cycle.
>>
>> Two years is totally scary and we are definitely going to have to look
>> at alternative approaches to sourcing, evaluating and capturing the
>> data.
>>
>> jim
>>
>> On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Roderic Page <r.page at bio.gla.ac.uk>
>> wrote:
>> > Am I the only horrified by this timescale?
>> >
>> > On 12 May 2009, at 16:45, David Patterson wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Expectation management:  How long before this all operational? Best
>> >> to think
>> >> decadally.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Why can't we have this sooner? Like, *cough*, now? Is it crazy to
>> > suggest that if all these names were dumped in a wiki, together with
>> > annotations (e.g., links to literature), any our community set about
>> > adding/annotating/cleaning, we could have this done rather sooner...?
>> >
>> > Rod
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ---------------------------------------------------------
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>> > Graham Kerr Building
>> > University of Glasgow
>> > Glasgow G12 8QQ, UK
>> >
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>> >
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>> >
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