[Taxacom] Rocket science, not?

Sun May 10 12:29:41 CDT 2009

Never said anything about 'new' Brian ... ;-)

It's just a matter of numbers on several fronts - I think you can work out what they are without my help.

I think we both agree on the next major step.

In haste, must find some more of those data we need ... ;-)

Paul

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Subject: Re: [Taxacom] Rocket science, not?

Oh dear Paul,
the pioneering work dates back to the 1970s and materialiesd in the 
1975 revision of the Bacteriolgical Code, being fully implemented from 
1980 onwards. I always find it rather "strange" that in the haste to 
show that other Codes are implementing something "new" one forgets the 
major pioneering work of a generation of scientists, many of whom are 
long since dead and cannot correct this viewpoint.

Most of the problems in this thread are not really a "problem" for 
those working with Bacteria and Archeae, because we have not of the 
data that other Codes so desprately need. The whole system can even be 
taken a major step further.

Brian

Quoting Paul Kirk <p.kirk at cabi.org>:

> Sounds like you are hedging into the 'registration of names' arena 
> in your second paragraph.
>
> The zoologists are already well ahead in planning for this - as are 
> the Mycologists with MycoBank. Currently names representing over 40% 
> of nomenclatural novelties in mycology are 'deposited' in MycoBank - 
> partly by name producers who are required to because they publish in 
> journals where this is required, and partly by name producers who 
> are not so urged but do so because they see the advantages of doing 
> so. Not sure where the botanists are. It is highly likely that the 
> ICBN will change in 2011 to require mandatory registration for names 
> of fungi. It is also likely that the developing Global Names 
> Architecture (supported by, amongst others, GBIF) will facilitate 
> registration and could be 'regionalized' under the current 'yet to 
> be fully defined' GNA architecture.
>
> Paul
>
> ________________________________
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> From: taxacom-bounces at mailman.nhm.ku.edu on behalf of Mary Barkworth
> Sent: Sun 10/05/2009 14:21
> To: taxacom at mailman.nhm.ku.edu
> Subject: [Taxacom] Rocket science, not?
>
>
>
> Rocket science is simple to a rocket scientist. Developing databases and
> creating tools to make use of data aggregations is not straight forward
> to many of us.
> It seems there are a few changes that might help us all, whether
> specialists or aggregators. One is to pressure an organization such as
> GenBank to have a mechanism for recording - and making highly visible-
> that a sequence seems to be based on a misidentified source. Of course
> the original donor should be informed and given a chance to respond. One
> of the features about IPNI and TROPICOS (both botanical resources) that
> makes these such useful resources is that small errors are corrected
> within 24 hours. For more complex questions, one is provided with a
> wealth of information and contacts - and help in understanding the
> problems one needs to resolve before a change can be made. Thank you
> Kanchi Gandhi, Gerrit Davidse, and Jim Solomon (the people whom I
> contact most frequently in this connection).
>
> Another is to help such resources by providing them with the information
> they need to maintain and enhance their completeness. Most journals
> require that sequence data be submitted to one of the aggregating
> organizations before or with publication. The same approach for names
> would help. I suspect that some journals automatically submit new plant
> names to TROPICOS and IPNI. If we could extend this approach around the
> world, it would be really helpful - perhaps GBIF's regional nodes could
> encourage such an approach. Clearly the software needed already exists.
>
> Correcting distributional information in GBIF is probably more difficult
> because there is so much of it, but at least there is a chance to do so
> with the specimen-based information (and, with good images, some aspects
> of observational data). What is difficult is when GBIF accepts secondary
> data, data aggregated by some other source and fed as that source's
> records into GBIF. Another approach that would be "not rocket science"
> to someone with more computer skills than me would be to set up an RSS
> feed from GBIF (or national nodes) when there is a new record for a
> species/genus in a particular region. It should be possible to state at
> what geographic level the record comes from, and whether there are other
> records for the area under a synonym. Anyone want to develop this? Or
> does it exist? If it does exist, please tell us where.
>
> Mary
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