[Taxacom] Species Pages - where are the online descriptions?/time per page

Mon Feb 2 18:02:17 CST 2009

Approximately two years ago, I prepared species pages for a Platanthera 
interactive key for a demonstration at Mobot.  To be honest , the entire 
reason for the work was to test out concepts for the Carex Interactive 
key.  Thankfully, a few people (you know who you are) advised me to  
keep track of how  how long everything required to complete.     Having 
seen the numbers bounce back and forth on total time per species page I 
dug out my old journal that I annotated times in on the project.  These 
values also reflect a lack of experience with  software,  scripting  and 
overall  web based work  (Google maps, Fact Sheet Fusion, Dreamweaver, 
Go Live, Photoshop and Illustrator, etc.)

For 32 species pages it took me 123 hours.  The key took an additional  
fifty hours and this does not include revisions since.
These times do not include breakfast, lunch or dinner.   Only time spent 
in front of the screen was written down. 

So the magic number is 123/32 = 3.84 hours per page. 

Tim

Peter DeVries wrote:
> Thanks Dave,
> I have been working a little with RDFa, but I had some problems with getting
> my rails created pages to validate.
>
> Eventually I would like to refactor these so they work correctly with RDFa.
>
> In the meantime, it would be useful to have some standard vocabulary that we
> can all agree on to tie the RDF or RDFa information
> together.
>
> Here is a page of mine in RDFa, but it would be nice to have it marked up in
> a standard but more useful vocabulary.
>
>  http://insects.entomology.wisc.edu/
>
> Thanks!
>
> - Pete
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Dave Vieglais <vieglais at ku.edu> wrote:
>
>   
>> Hi Peter,
>> This is pretty much in line with my suggestion yesterday of using RDFa in
>> existing pages to provide some semantic tagging of content.  The advantage
>> of RDFa over plain RDF is that the pages require little change (they are
>> still valid HTML) yet can be easily parsed as RDF.  RDFa is described at
>> http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-rdfa-primer/ and a couple of very simple
>> examples of relevance are available at
>> http://code.google.com/p/darwincore/wiki/Example_RDFa.
>>
>> regards,
>>  Dave V.
>>
>>
>> On Feb 2, 2009, at 15:56 , Peter DeVries wrote:
>>
>>  Hi Roger,
>>     
>>> I thought that this might also be a good opportunity to suggest that we
>>> work
>>> out a standard RDF markup
>>> that describes species and family information that exists on web pages.
>>>
>>> I was thinking something that tied a page to a specific taxon concept.
>>>
>>> For instance, this page
>>>
>>> http://eco.bcb.iastate.edu/mosquito/browse_species2.php?spcID=364
>>>
>>> Has information about this species concept
>>>
>>>
>>> http://species.geospecies.org/spec_concept_uuid/84b8badd-b899-40ea-8f89-f39f3048c270/
>>>
>>>
>>> Which is also known by this species concept (your uri)
>>>
>>> http://tdwg....
>>>
>>> You would also need the backward link so.
>>>
>>> This species concept http://tdwg....
>>>
>>> has a web page about it at
>>> http://eco.bcb.iastate.edu/mosquito/browse_species2.php?spcID=364
>>>
>>> If there was some standard markup these could be loaded into a knowledge
>>> base and queried.
>>>
>>> I was thinking of doing something like this since I am starting to get too
>>> many pages for species and I don't
>>> want to keep adding additional fields to my species, family, and order
>>> database tables.
>>>
>>> It would make more sense to have some common ontology that we could all
>>> use.
>>>
>>> I was thinking of modeling these species pages as subclasses of
>>> foaf:Document here are some examples
>>>
>>> speciesWikipediaPage
>>> speciesEOLPage
>>> speciesIowaMosquitoesPage
>>>
>>> You can see this in the lastest GeoSpecies Ontology
>>>
>>> http://rdf.geospecies.org/ont/gsontology.owl
>>>
>>> To avoid problems and recognize subtle difference in species concepts it
>>> might need to have support for more
>>> than one species concept. Most of these pages probably apply to several
>>> variations of what is a species, but
>>> it make some sense to allow the concept authors some discretion as to
>>> whether a page about African Aedes vexans
>>> pertains to a species concept about North American Aedes vexans.
>>>
>>> What do you think?
>>>
>>> - Pete
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 4:58 AM, Roger Hyam <rogerhyam at mac.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hi,
>>>       
>>>> I am looking for websites that have good "Species Pages". By species
>>>> page I mean (and this is my definition) a page that contains a
>>>> description of the species and not a page that simply lists the
>>>> nomenclature associated with the acceptance of a name. You could send
>>>> the URL of a species page to a student who didn't know what the
>>>> organism was and they could use it to confirm the identity of a
>>>> specimen.
>>>>
>>>> An example of what I think of as a species page is  the Fishbase page
>>>> for Gadus morhua (Atlantic Cod):
>>>> http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=69
>>>> There is a lot of information on this page and a description of the
>>>> organism can be gleaned from it.
>>>>
>>>> This FloraBase page is another example:
>>>> http://florabase.calm.wa.gov.au/browse/profile/26
>>>> Very brief but attempts to define the taxon.
>>>>
>>>> Wikipedia has a good page for cod but there isn't a good taxon
>>>> description so it is a borderline species page
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadus_morhua
>>>>
>>>> Catalogue of Life has a goal of producing a page for every species and
>>>> it aims to do this by combining pre-existing data I believe but I
>>>> wonder where this data is.
>>>> Their page on badger comes from Arkive (http://www.arkive.org/) which
>>>> is an imaging database http://eol.org/pages/328046 and their page on
>>>> cod comes from Fishbase http://eol.org/pages/206692
>>>>
>>>> Pages I don't consider Species Pages are:
>>>>
>>>> Catalogue of Life has a page that comes from Fishbase but that chucks
>>>> out the "useful" information and only maintains the nomenclature.
>>>> http://www.catalogueoflife.org/show_species_details.php?record_id=5347829
>>>>
>>>> The ITIS page is similar to the CoL page
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.itis.gov/servlet/SingleRpt/SingleRpt?search_topic=TSN&search_value=164712
>>>>
>>>> Likewise Fauna Europaea page for Meles meles (Badger) lacks a
>>>> description because it is a nomenclatural database.
>>>> http://www.faunaeur.org/full_results.php?id=305312
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to build a list of sites offering "real" species page
>>>> information - with descriptions. At the moment it seems like the major
>>>> source of these pages are electronic versions of the literature. We
>>>> have good descriptions in sources like eFloras.org
>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=242417133
>>>> and I hope BHL will be a source. This is a shame as these pages
>>>> typically lack large numbers of images and the possibility of
>>>> including other media.
>>>>
>>>> I'd be grateful for any suggestions of sites that contain species
>>>> pages (as per my definition).
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Roger
>>>>
>>>> BTW: I'd rather use the term "Taxon Page" as these things could apply
>>>> at any rank but there seems to be a consensus to call them Species
>>>> Pages no matter what rank they apply to and people are typically
>>>> interested in species.
>>>>
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