<div dir="ltr">Hi Kirk,<div><br></div><div>I have a few questions about your housing units vs. the population change numbers you shared. </div><div><br></div><div>What if the units are not used for long-term housing but for other purposes, such as Airbnb? Wouldn't a better measure be the available supply for homeowner purchase? How do other forms of housing commodification (like short-term rentals) affect pricing? It must have an effect, but I have yet to do any research to learn what that effect might be. Can you point me in the right direction to find work like this? Does banning Airbnb in cities (it has happened around the world) ever put downward pressure on pricing?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>Bryan Mann</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Dec 5, 2024 at 4:18 PM kthompson--- via Electronic-LAN <<a href="mailto:electronic-lan@lists.ku.edu">electronic-lan@lists.ku.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">HI,</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><br></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Let’s try attaching my chart!</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="m_-6887124634224411286ms-outlook-mobile-signature"><div><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt">Kyle Thompson<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt"><a href="mailto:kthompson@sunflower.com" style="text-decoration:underline;color:rgb(5,99,193)" target="_blank">kthompson@sunflower.com</a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt">785-331-5783<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt"><img width="264" height="49" style="width: 2.75in; height: 0.5104in;" id="m_-6887124634224411286Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:ii_19398f57d264cff311" alt="cid:image001.png@01CEF025.BB5418B0"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div id="m_-6887124634224411286mail-editor-reference-message-container"><div><span><div style="font-family:Aptos;font-size:12pt;text-align:left;border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:rgb(181,196,223) currentcolor currentcolor;padding:3pt 0in 0in;color:black"><span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span> Electronic-LAN <<a href="mailto:electronic-lan-bounces@lists.ku.edu" target="_blank">electronic-lan-bounces@lists.ku.edu</a>> on behalf of kthompson--- via Electronic-LAN <<a href="mailto:electronic-lan@lists.ku.edu" target="_blank">electronic-lan@lists.ku.edu</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Thursday, December 5, 2024 at 3:42 PM<br><span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> McClure, Kirk <<a href="mailto:mcclure@ku.edu" target="_blank">mcclure@ku.edu</a>>, Listserv of the Lawrence Association of Neighborhoods (LAN) <<a href="mailto:electronic-lan@lists.ku.edu" target="_blank">electronic-lan@lists.ku.edu</a>>, Sheri Ellenbecker <<a href="mailto:sheriellenbeck@hotmail.com" target="_blank">sheriellenbeck@hotmail.com</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Re: [Electronic-LAN] Vox.com: The pro-housing consensus that wasn’t<br><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">HI Kirk,</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><br></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Has your work been critiqued by any groups like Strong Towns or any of the large coterie of urbanists?<span></span></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><br></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">According to this chart, something is happening in Minneapolis. My understanding is that it is predominately Transit Oriented Development and not infill duplexes and triplexes. Note: Minneapolis is a college town.<span></span><span></span></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><br></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><img style="max-width: 100%;"><br></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><br></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">I think people will cite your work and say, “See we don’t need to build more housing”, without looking at your concerns about zoning and subsidizing certain forms. I do believe that only through more density, sprawl can be contained and more affordable housing can be built. Since LAN is concerned about the LDC, do you have criticisms of it or are you generally in favor of it.<span></span><span></span><span></span></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Aptos,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><br></div><div id="m_-6887124634224411286ms-outlook-mobile-signature"><div><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt">Thanks,</span></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt"> </span></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt">Kyle Thompson</span></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt"><a href="mailto:kthompson@sunflower.com" style="text-decoration:underline;color:rgb(5,99,193)" target="_blank">kthompson@sunflower.com</a></span></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt">785-331-5783</span></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt"> </span></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt"><img width="264" height="49" id="m_-6887124634224411286Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:ii_19398f57d264cff311" alt="cid:image001.png@01CEF025.BB5418B0" style="width: 2.75in; height: 0.5104in;"></span></p></div></div><div id="m_-6887124634224411286mail-editor-reference-message-container"><div><span>
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<div dir="ltr">Households versus families. Terminology is always tricky. In the housing field, we all stick with the definitions used by the Census Bureau. A household is one or more persons who occupy a single housing unit. A family is two or more persons
related by blood or marriage. A family usually lives in a single housing unit, but a family can be spread across multiple units. A household may or may not be a family. A household can be a single individual living alone, or a household can be 2+ people who
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<div dir="ltr">The “missing middle” and the “entry level home.” It is true that low-cost starter homes, duplexes and townhouses are not being built in great numbers. Some people blame zoning. Minneapolis recently eliminated single-family zoning in an attempt
to promote greater mixing of housing types and price levels. It will take years to see how much, if any, effect the elimination of single-family zoning will have.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">NIMBY. The sad reality is that existing homeowners do not want low-cost housing built in their neighborhoods out of fear that the low-cost units will lower the value of the existing higher-priced units. Whether through zoning or other means,
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<div dir="ltr">Subsidies for developers. It is very costly for the government to subsidize builders to construct lower cost housing units. It is nearly always less expensive for the government to help low-income households purchase units already in the market.
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<div dir="ltr">New units versus existing units. New units are only a very small part of the total housing stock, and very few households ever own a new home. Existing units in good shape can meet the needs of the low-income at lower cost to the taxpayers.
It is generally more cost effective and easier to overcome NIMBYism to subsidize low-income homebuyers purchase and renovate existing homes than it is to subsidize homebuilders to build new homes for low-income homebuyers.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Raise wages. I have often said that nothing fixes a rooftop better than a paycheck. The single most effective housing program is raising the minimum wage. California recently adopted a $20 per hour minimum wage. Housing analysts will be watching
because when a household earns $40,000 or more, affordability problems tend to go away.<span></span><span></span><span></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr">Thanks. That is very enlightening data that you’ve shared. Some incomplete thoughts that I have had are that often a family has two houses because the family is not one unit. Does that count as two household then? Another thing that has been
in the back of my mind is that there is no incentive for the builder to build a moderately priced home. They make a lot more money on more expensive homes I think. so the little slab ranchers that we rented when we were first married are no longer being built.
The bedrooms were small. The bathrooms were small and they had an eaten kitchen. That served us nicely then it seems like those are not even being built now as single-family dwellings. And I do believe that most people want to have a single family dwelling
as opposed to an apartment when they have a family. Maybe that is something that is no longer possible in America. But I think in small town America like Lawrence Kansas that is what people want. Am I right in that? I think that if there was a way for the
city to offer an incentive to build these types of homes , maybe more people could afford them. Also, there’s another way to look at this and that would be to raise wages. </div>
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<p style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">I just want to chime in on the affordable housing issue. As a former member of LAN from Old West Lawrence, I continue to follow the good work of the association. I also am a retired professor of urban
planning who specializes in affordable housing.</span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">The books mentioned in the Vox.com article are all noteworthy, but they probably are not the best research available in the area of affordable housing. The authors of these books all come to the field of
housing with limited knowledge of how housing markets behave, and these authors have a great many predispositions. All are predisposed to think that the price of housing is high because the supply is scarce. In many good and services, this may be true; it
is not true in housing. Careful examination of the data show that there is no shortage of housing in nearly all of the 916 metropolitan areas of the nation, including Lawrence.
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<p style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">Some quick facts from the Census, the most reliable source of population and housing data:</span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt"> <i>Item 2000 2020 Change Percent Change</i></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt"> Population 80,083 94,934 14,851 19%</span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt"> Housing Units 32,792 43,421 10,629 32%</span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt"> Households 31,435 39,688 8,253 26%</span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">Housing growth outpaced both population and household formation. Thus, there is no housing shortage in Lawrence. But prices are high here as they are throughout the nation.</span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">Prices are high for reasons other than scarcity. Our building codes demand that housing be built to high standards which increases prices. Our capital gains tax laws favor investment in owner-occupied
homes making homes the single largest component of household net worth which contributes to upward pressure on prices. As a household’s largest investment, homeowners protect their investments with zoning codes that exclude lower-priced homes contributing
to upward pressure on home prices. Supply chain problems, labor problems and high interest rates have contributed to recent increases in the costs of building new units which also contribute to upward pressure on prices. The upward trend in prices outpaces
the growth of incomes, especially for poor households who tend to be renters. </span>
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<p style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">The housing affordability problems of Lawrence (and nearly all metropolitan markets in the nation) result from low incomes and a housing market that cannot produce housing affordably priced for the low-income
households. What this means is that we cannot build our way out of the housing affordability problem. Adding large quantities of housing units will not lower housing prices.</span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">We can help to resolve housing affordability problems with rental assistance (Housing Choice Vouchers) and low-income homebuyer assistance (downpayment assistance and below-market interest rate loans).
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<p style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">There are exceptions. Special needs households and the homeless have problems that are best addressed by building housing that fits their special needs. However, for the vast majority of the population,
the market has already built the housing that is needed; we need to help the poor pay for the housing that already exists.</span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">I hope that this helps.</span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">All the best,</span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">Kirk </span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"><b>Kirk McClure</b><span style="font-size:10pt">, Ph.D.</span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Aptos,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:10pt">Professor Emeritus</span></p>
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